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SuperNova on 24 July 2016
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ratuscafoarterea said:
SuperNova said:

And who gave the media that information? The same people shouting racist abuse at the perpetrator? Some hysterical teenagers going into post-traumatic shock?

The recent actual religiously motivated axe attack is fresh in everyones minds. I'm not saying there's malice involved, but witness accounts are often unreliable. People have their own fears, thoughts and agendas and then the media comes in and adds their own spin to it as well.

The official police statement is, that this was a perpetrator who was acting alone, with not ties to IS. The very assumption everyone is jumping to, that a german of iranian decent must be an islamist was probably part of the reason he felt excluded and even did this in the first place.

I said this earlier, but his very behaviour we see in the video clip, indicates that he wanted to be accepted in mainstream german society, but felt rejected. He tried to explain himself to the people shouting at him. A religious extremist has no reason to do that. If anything, everyone else is a non-believer unworthy of anything other than being shot. There's also no need for self-justification (the very thing he was trying to do) since god is their justification.

Also the fact that he killed himself with plenty of ammo left instead of continuing on until shot by the police does not fit with a religiously motivated attack. Those are people on a mission. And they would not abort until there is no way to continue on.

This pattern just does not fit with islamic terror. Instead it fits perfectly with Columbine, Winneden and other school/mall shootings comitted by mentally unstable people who felt rejected by society. So as much as you ask everyone to question western european media, I'll ask you to be as sceptical and analytical of the eastern european one as well.

I didn't say anything about this being an attack linked to IS. My point was that he decided to commit this mass-murder because as a muslim he feel that he was rejected and bullied by the German society, even tho the Germans are some of the most open minded people in Europe. It’s still a mass-shooting that has links to religion and the identity to a certain group that doesn’t want to fully integrate. You say that he didn’t use all of his ammunition, how you don't know that he  realized he got surrounded by the police and he decided it’s time to end his life?  Also, the western media is trying to say that this attacker was mentally ill. Really? a 18 years old mentally ill loner, living in Germany (a country with some of the toughest gun laws), somehow managed to get his hands on a Glock and 300 9mm rounds. That sounds about right ….. only for blind horse

And my point is that his religion is probably at best tangentially related to this crime. His whole attack pattern speaks of someone motivated by frustration and desperation. Not someone on a religious mission.

Yes, he might have been discriminated against in life because of his religion (if he even followed the Islam faith, that is, we don't really know at this point), but according to all that we know this didn't drive him to religious extremism.

This attack seems unlikely to have been motivated by religion and rather by social issues. When a christian man kills someone in a mugging you don't file that under a religiously motivated attack either, do you?

Also, a mentally ill 17-year old loner, living in germany (a country with some of the toughest gun laws), somehow managed to get his hands on a whole host of guns and decided to shoot up a school, get into a chase with the police, shoot some bystanders while on the run and finally shoot himself himself in the head during a mexican standoff wth the police. It happened before. In Winneden. There's president for this.

And if you're asking: Where did he get the gun? Probably the same way the Winneden shooter did. Daddy didn't lock hin gun carbinet, as required by the law. It is not impossible in Germany to get a gun, far from it. It is true that aquiring a license requires thorough training and psych evaluation, but there's alot of sports shooting clubs and hunters unions, where even youths get trained with firearms, especially in Bavaria wich is a very conservative part of the country.

So yeah, a kid in treatment for depression could very well have gotten his hands on a gun if his family didn't follow the gun laws.