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Machiavellian said:
Dunban67 said:
A long time Real Estate closing attorney recently told me he has never seen so many people use gun permits and carry permits as their 2nd form of ID at closings than he has the last year+
IMO one big reason many people are skeptical about gun control (in the US) are that it will keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens but will not slow down the amount of guns in the hands of criminals- most guns used in acts of crime and violence are not legally registered And many of those guns are bought via pawn shops, craigs list etc Additionally gun control almost certainly will not stop military contractors and our government from selling/giving guns by the millions throughout the world - many of which make their way back to the US via legal and black market trade-

Needless to say these shootings are tragic- and will make hiring and attracting quality people to become police officers much more difficult -

Actually I believe this part is neither true or false because the NRA has pretty much blocked the study of this everytime it comes up in congress.  The CDC has tried to bring this up to get funding for studying gun violence and get some solid numbers out there but everytime it comes up it gets blocked.  One thing I do know and will bring up the stat when I find it is that there is a heck of a lot of gun violence from registered owners as there is from unregistered.

I would like to see the stat because gun violence by non registeed and illegal gun owners is many multiples higher than registered gun owners-   If you are not able to find federal stats on that i bet you could probably find them in a  cross section of metro areas in the us -   By definition a registered gun owner is  typically going to be much more careful w their own gun as it would easily be tracked back to them if they used it in the commission of a crime-  Matter of fact gun violence by registered gun owner is prob among the lowest  unless you are counting self inflicted possibly- but i am talking criminal gun violence, guns used (fired or not) in the commission of a crime etc