Games that have the balls of not giving you any startup tutorial

[ghettoglamour]

They have the balls or are lazy enough (and get away with it) though?

I don't understand why "not holding your hand" gets so much praise when sooner or later the same people will look up guides or even make threads on the internet about how to play the games. If this is the way of "finding it out" they mean, I wonder how many do it "by themselves" as they claim these games allow.

I personally loved Bloodborne and DS3 but the fact that they don't explain shit I see as a weakness, not as a strength. 99% of the people will get the tutorials from the internet, which is worse than in-game, imo.