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Veknoid_Outcast on 09 July 2016
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bonzobanana said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
ISIS is a nightmare, and should be removed from the face of the Earth, by force if necessary.

It represents the most violent and intolerant aspects of Islamism, tribalism, theocracy, Jihadism, and apocalypticism. It rejects cultural and religious heterogeneity, it murders "non-believers," and it's hostile toward women and gay people.

The group is guilty of murder, slavery, rape, torture, war crimes, ethnic cleansing, and human rights abuses. It is a scourge, and it flies in the face of centuries of Middle Eastern multiculturalism.

Didn't Muhammed keep slaves, say it was ok to rape slaves and marry a six year old girl when he was middle aged and have sexual intercourse with the girl when  she was 9. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery#Muhammad.27s_traditions

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha

To be honest isn't ISIS more true to the origins of islam. I'm not religious myself but ISIS seems to follow muhammeds words more literally where other muslims adapt them to the modern world taking out the more extreme unacceptable teachings of muhammed. 

From my perspective most religions are complete nonsense and we shouldn't be using the teachings from dark times in the modern world. They clearly had no sense of reality or logic and filled the stories with supernatural rubbish. We now have a very good understanding of how life evolved and how life interacts which has been going on billions of years that we shouldn't even give time to these primitive viewpoints.

If Muhammed really did get his teachings from god and lived his life to them then child slavoury, rape, paodephilia  is ok.

Don't get me wrong islam is no different to other religions like christianity etc where they keep trying to modernise them to be more acceptable  but I question what the point of that is. Either they are the words of god or they aren't. 

Surely in the modern world the most important thing we need to aim for is equality for all whatever their gender, race, nationality, religion, sexual preference  or wealth and those we need to persecute our those people of hate and violence and we won't go far wrong.

 

 

Even if true, should we indict millions of believers in 2016 for what a religious/national founder did 1400 years ago? That ignores centuries of state-building, foreign influences, and Islamic jurisprudence. 

Gandhi has been accused of racism and of sleeping naked with underage girls. Does that make non-violent protest any less legitimate?