Playstation: 21 Million PS+ Subscribers

[DonFerrari]

Machiavellian said:

DonFerrari said:

If customer doesn't see value in the service they won't buy. You may say Sony sequestrated their right, but if they really though the service or the console hadn't value it wouldn't break all records as the fatest selling Playstation console. It really is as simple as that.

People see little value on WiiU, restricted value on X1 (need a lower price and still sell lot less) and a lot of value. If they think the MP is worth the 50 they pay for it, if not they would see alternatives... you just want me to answer a dumb question if I would preffer something for free or to pay. And the thing is, the answer doesn't need to be dumb, the answer will depend of the context. I preffer to pay a health insurance than to use the "free" service the government provides (altough I already pay for it through taxes) and IF I liked MP online and the choice would be free and bad versus cheap and good I would choose the second one.

And considering a lot of complaints were made about the quality of the free PSN but a lot less is made about the price of PSN+ I would say people have made their choice very clear. And if you want to deny that please show some evidence instead of saying that because you don't see value in it then there is no value.

Seeing value and having no other avenue is something totally different.  Can you tell me where is this alternative for Console gamers who own a PS4.

I see no value  in adding MP to PS+ because all the MP games are peer to peer.  Did you not read that part.  Peer to Peer does not need PSN and if PSN is down causes MP to not be available then that is a design problem with PSN not the protocols used for MP gaming.  Hell, even Sony does not provide dedicated servers for match making for only a few of their 1st party games.  During the PS3, days the service was bad not for MP within games but when you wanted to use PSN for anything else.  I believe you are getting confused about PSN and what it provides and what it does not.

Since they have 99% of the games available on PS4 also available cheaper on PC, I'm more inclined to say they see the value in the proposition. Since the beggining of PS4 MP is a paid thing, so it isn't a sequestration of something they had so you can ask "what is the alternative to who own a PS4", they had the alternative to not buying PS4 in the first place. Last gen they had a alternative to buy X360 with paid online or PS3 with free online and in the market with most online players they choose the paid one.

You see no value, no problem, others do, and it seems to piss you off that they do. For me online MP at all have no value. And you seem to be so knowledgeable of PSN and Live to be certain that it should work even with Sony servers down. Do you have a source for it and why P2P games would have support cut?

If you don't believe in free lunch then you know that everything have a cost, even free online. So you may disagree with the cost of the service and wanting it free because it was free before and other service is free in a different place it doesn't mean that it have zero cost. And if customer didn't really liked it they wouldn't buy. But you keep wanting to use yourself as a rule.