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Miyamotoo said:
DonFerrari said:

So you insist on including HH on a conversation that have nothing to do with it just to make it seems better and also do a false cause/effect correlation to justify the lack of CD? Ok them keep going.

Even Nintendo had some games where they needed 2 discs, so they clearly choose the mini-DVD for dumb reasons, worst, it was even more expensive to produce than a common DVD.

And they are doing the same mistakes... the biggest one is their bad relationship with 3rd parties on consoles, and that is still in place. You said GC was the most 3rd party oriented console Nintendo made... but was it from what they though 3rd party wanted or what they said they wanted? I would bet more on the first. And when they assumed they made the mistake. That is the Nintendo way, to dictate what others may want

Why I would not include HH, I include them because last gen Nintendo with its HW has most successful generation in history of gaming, you can't clearly do that if "all demons are still haunting them till this day".

You realise that back then DVD player wasn't cheap eat all, you also realise that having classic DVD disc would make Nintendo pay fees!? GC had very afordible price, one of reasons for that is not having DVD player.

I gave you bigest their mistake in history of their consoles, N64 cartridge format that can hold only 8-64MB compared to 700NB of CD, and guess what, they did not make same mistake with Wii U, so "all demons are still haunting them till this day" clearly isnt true, and thats whole my point.

Because no one is discussing HH (only you) at no point Nintendo dominance over HH was questioned.

Not being cheap at release doesn't mean it won't be cheap after. That is the basics of mass production. And the fee for the disc itself is minimal, how much of the Wii profits were eaten by DVD fees?

Nope, the biggest reason for GC cheap price was Nintendo desperation to sell. Please show me how much cheaper was the GC mini disc drive compared to a standard one (like PS2 or any other DVD player), because being non-standard I would guess that it costed about the same (even more when it wasn't all that different so the higher price would be only due to scale, but not down for using cheaper technology)

You think that their biggest mistake (it's up there), but bad relationship is even worse and that is the one that never left. Or do you think the bad relationship with Squaresoft took out FF VII from them (besides no CD for their cutscenes) and all the other third parties alike, and that even today Nintendo doesn't have any special relationship or even acceptable one with most developers and that is quite possibly the biggest reason for the low support? Or do you want to put Nintendo fanbase as their biggest mistake because they are the folks that doesn't buy the products available and them the devs have no interest to support?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."