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Nem on 01 July 2016
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DonFerrari said:
Bandorr said:

I agree, its impossible to have a debate because all you guys come up with is personal attacks

And now for some quotes from YOU in this very thread.

"It's very sad when half the PS4 base gets duped like that"
"hiding the acess to online gaming to dupe people"
"They are gullable for doing so."
"many seem gullable enough to not see it. "
"If you still don't understand, save it. It's too late for you."
" You just can't see it cause you are that calous with your money"
"That is why i say for some it is too late because they are too deep into cognitive dissonance to bother see it."

Ignoring the fact you seem to not know the definition of gullible(yes gullible, not gullable) or duped - YOU started this thread by insulting people. You started it off be calling people sad, gullible and saying they were being duped. You came into this thread to insult people - and then immediately played the victim card.

I am actually glad that playstation is giving out mostly indie games. Because they are giving out NEW indie games. I much rather get a game that came out that month - than one that game out years ago.

On PS3 most of the PS+ games I already had because they were several years old and I bought them already, but unfortunatelly I don't like many of the Indies.. it could be better to balance both, but that is a valid criticism. Even Shuhei said he think it's sad that a lot of the PS+ games aren't even downloaded.

Nem said:

First i didn't start the thread. Second i gave my opinion on what i think is sad news and not good. 

The critics i made were to the masses that chose to make that decision ignorant of the facts. I did not name anyone specifically on this thread until they did so to me, trying to write off my opinion as Nintendo fanboysm, wich quite honestly is pretty insulting and shows that the case is very different. I responded in a similar veign, but you are right, that was my queue to ignore.

I believe he is saying you started the personal insults with your first comment not creating the thread.

You imply they are ignorant, do you have any evidence? You assume everyone is choosing it because they are dumb, duped, ill informed, etc, are you certain that is the truth or simply people evaluated it and decided they wanted it anyhow? I didn't see anyone calling you Nintendo fanboy, they just asked if you would have the same opinion if Nintendo done it, why not only answer it and let it go (because you are the only one still bringing this back all the time when you were only questioned once about it).

And sorry on your next post... there isn't "fact for me", facts are independent of yourself. Your opinion isn't a fact and never will be. And people don't think you have the word of God, you say like you have and that is why you are having all the answers you got... so as the saying goes the fault is in you yourself and you are mirroring it on others instead of looking inside.

You continuously insulted... because between the million that pay for the service there are a lot of them in the thread or answering to you. Not naming a person isn't a way to say you didn't insulted someone, implication is a thing, you know? And how all the descripition you gave about those people is a fact?

That is not true. There was no personal insult. I didn't say to any one person to this thread in particular anything with that post. I voiced my opinion. I guess some decided to include themselves in and feel threatned or something? But i really have no control over what groups posters decide to include themselves in. There was nothing personal about my post. 

I don't know what to tell you about the rest. When you know something is right do you withold it just because someone might decide they want to take offense with that even though it wasnt particularly aimed at them?

This whole conversation has run its course and has turned into victimisation because i don't share the opinion "lets all be happy. Sony is making money!". I don't see reason for celebration. Sorry, its my opinion and people just need to live with that. I feel like i need to say that it's ok to disagree.