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DonFerrari said:
SWORDF1SH said:

What exactly is your point? You say that people are being duped because they find value in a service. Now I presume that you're are trying to say that people that support PS+ is spoiling it for people that don't want to pay for online? Would I be correct to presume that?

First up you are arguing 2 different point and secondly if people thought like you things would never progress. I'm willing to pay for a superior online service and not be stuck with something that Nintendo fans have. This isn't a pop at Nintendo but it's fact that Sony and MS offer a far better service on the networking side of things and guess why? Money being pumped into it which they can't do without subs.

On Plasma and LCD monitor I paid cheap because others before me paid premium so it could develop and drop in price... on 4K I paid very high so in a few years it will probably be a lot cheaper because it hit stream... it's normal for early adopters to get a little burned while helping the technology improve... there are options to it, just waiting, you don't need to complain that something is expensive, you wait until it's affordable to you.

Bandorr said:

Whenever someone brings this up - I like to point at the PS3. The online is FREE - yet people pay for it? Why?

If people are being "duped" and  "forced" into paying for online - why are/did anyone pay for the ps3 subscription?

Well it gone from 3-4M to 21M by mandating Online MP payment... I don't like it, but seems like 17-18M people were ok with it, so he is complain only because he can't play without paying and is assuming that the other 19M that haven't signed are the same (while a lot of them could be multi console or shared acc owners).

It's still amazing to me how some of you can't have this conversation without trying to label me as something or trying to make it sound personal. I don't play online on my consoles, even if they have free online play. I don't enjoy any of the online experiences on consoles bar mmo's, but those are on the PC with free online, wich is where i play them.

So, can you try this again without trying to say that i am someone who is very perturbed that he himself doesn't have free online when he does? Perhaps the one/s with a bias isn't me?

It is because it's a scheme and in fact not worth beeing a payed service that i say people are beeing duped. They are duped to think it may have value when it doesn't when you are a casual gamer, wich is the majority. So, yes, i would like to see a fairer system in place and for people to actually see the real worth of what they are paying for. 

Shoot me for wanting better things. That is why i say for some it is too late because they are too deep into cognitive dissonance to bother see it.