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SvennoJ on 26 June 2016
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padib said:
Teeqoz said:

Well sure, it is a lot harder to accept the truth sometime than to just go on with life as it always has been. But in the end, life isn't some romantical thing, feelings aren't "honest and pure" (whatever that means), love is just chemicals in your brain interacting in a certain way. But you don't have to believe in that. As I've stated earlier in this thread, this is a perfect example of the saying "ignorance is bliss".

And it's not like you have a choice anyway. Whatever you end up believing, you were predetermined to end up believing so to begin with

What I meant by honest and pure is that emotions can be faked. The human mind though is able to see very subtle hints of faking emotion.

To think that emotions are pre-programmed is something similar to faking emotions, it renders them artificial: a means to an end. But love in its purest form is selfless. Therefore there should be no way to say: that was just some robotic reaction to a stimulus.

I understand the science behind the material aspect of our thoughts (though synapses and chemicals), however it is a logical jump to then conclude we don't have free will. I like you agree that our brain is material, but I disagree that our choices are pre-determinable, and I doubt we will ever come to a point in science where we will be able to accurately predict the outcome of a person's thoughts 100% of the time.

Because I believe in free will, and I don't think that science right now disproves it in any way.

Though I did very much enjoy the topic, and your management of the thread, I hope you understand my point about the purpose of emotions such as love and laughter, the spontaneity of them and how it would be very contrary to the emotions themselves if they could somehow be predicted.

That's my two cents.

Ofcourse emotions can be predicted, reality tv excels in it :)

But love in its purest form is selfless. Therefore there should be no way to say: that was just some robotic reaction to a stimulus.

What is love in its purest form? And why would love being selfless rule out it being a robotic reaction to a stimulus.
The love of a mother for their child is very strong and selfless. My wife wishes she could turn it down a bit, always worrying about what might happen. I would jump in front of a car too for my kids, yet luckily I'm spared a bit of the physically sickening feelings when they're doing something slightly dangerous.

Selfless acts out of love are usually of a robotic or subconcious nature. Afterwards it's usually "I wasn't thinking about it, I just acted" Like this tragic story http://globalnews.ca/news/2770699/man-struck-killed-by-fallen-tree-branch-in-popular-toronto-park/ He threw himself over his wife while a branch came down. There could be no concious decision making process preceding that. Seems very robotic.