SvennoJ said:
VXIII said:
That literally reads like nothing. It is a proven fact that animals don't have sense of morality, character, appreciation of beauty and art, sense of humor and so on despite having a complex brains. Just observe the wild life how it that not provable? you didn't answer any of my question about the complexity. Then you refer to some " published science" without actually discussing the ideas.... Huh.
I think it is safe to say this is the best time to end this empty cycle. I enjoyed the topic, especially Rol's posts 
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I was trying to get to the end of the topic first, but I guess I lack the willpower :p
Animals do appear to have morality, character, appreciation of beauty and humor. And I'm pretty sure my dog is concious and self-aware.
The idea that animals can appreciate comedy isn’t as far-fetched as it sounds, considering some of the other groundbreaking discoveries scientists like Bekoff are making about animal behavior: They have found dogs that understand unfairness, spiders that display different temperaments, and bees that can be trained to be pessimistic.
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/features/2014/the_humor_code/do_animals_have_a_sense_of_humor_new_evidence_suggests_that_all_mammals.html
https://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Lives-Animals-Scientist-Explores/dp/1577316290?ie=UTF8&tag=slatmaga-20
The can even make art
Humans aren't that special. Heck Dolphins might be laughing at us all the time. Look at them running around all day all stressed :)
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I appreciate your willpower, so I'm going to reply one more time to clear things up XD
I think it is important to notify that I specifically said to him to "observe the wild life" of the animals. Because that is where it evolve fundamentally different than our way of life. That where the difference shows. I'm fully aware that with human interference animals can simulate some aspects of our behavior when trained or put under strict and repeated situations. It is the memory and the ability to recall that get in the mix here. But that is really not even the main argument.
This whole argument started by stating how the human brain is special and more complex than other animals, and I wanted to know how... even though humans don't have the biggest brains, not the biggest brian to body ratio. And not even the most neurons which transmitting the impulses. Human brain isn't that special indeed. But what we can achieve with it surely is.
