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SvennoJ on 25 June 2016
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VXIII said:
SkepticallyMinded said:

The irony with you anti-scientific people is often times so profound that it boggles the mind wrestling with what it's like to maintain mutually exclusive perspectives simultaneously. 

You cannot on the same hand declare that non-human animals do not have consciousness while simultaneously maintaining the position that we don't have enough knowledge to assess the situation. Congratulations, you just contradicted your own position.

All of the evidence to date supports the idea that some non-human animals have consciousness, but I'm sure some nobody on the internet has it all figured out, nevermind the countless published science and plethora of scientists who agree.

That literally reads like nothing. It is a proven fact that animals don't have sense of morality, character, appreciation of beauty and art, sense of humor and so on despite having a complex brains. Just observe the wild life how it that not provable? you didn't answer any of my question about the complexity. Then you refer to some " published science" without actually discussing the ideas....  Huh.

I think it is safe to say this is the best time to end this empty cycle. I enjoyed the topic, especially Rol's posts

I was trying to get to the end of the topic first, but I guess I lack the willpower :p
Animals do appear to have morality, character, appreciation of beauty and humor. And I'm pretty sure my dog is concious and self-aware.

The idea that animals can appreciate comedy isn’t as far-fetched as it sounds, considering some of the other groundbreaking discoveries scientists like Bekoff are making about animal behavior: They have found dogs that understand unfairness, spiders that display different temperaments, and bees that can be trained to be pessimistic.
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/features/2014/the_humor_code/do_animals_have_a_sense_of_humor_new_evidence_suggests_that_all_mammals.html
https://www.amazon.com/Emotional-Lives-Animals-Scientist-Explores/dp/1577316290?ie=UTF8&tag=slatmaga-20

The can even make art


Humans aren't that special. Heck Dolphins might be laughing at us all the time. Look at them running around all day all stressed :)