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Goatseye on 25 June 2016
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DakonBlackblade said:
Goatseye said:

You want me to stop giving my opinion because I think the only world class dfender in their team is Otamendi?

Barcelona also went a long stretch of games with clean sheets and good defensive record but we all knew how Pique and Dani Alves were average af.

Sorry your Netherlands example doesn't glue, their performance against Australia showed their true face; Martins Indi, Brumak and Van Der Wiel can't defend to save their lives.

The individual level of the each defender is a factor but not the whole picture, what matters is how well the team defends, its defensive system. It is a colective sport. You say the only thing Argentina has is ofense and yet they did not score more than 1 goal on any of 2014 finals matchs and they missed 2 super clear oportunitys and at least 2 other decent ones x Germany while giving the germans no chance to score at all befor ethe extra time. You say their defense sucks and yet they conceaded 1 goal, against the strongest ofense of the competition, at the extra time, after having a handfull fo chances to win the game because they were defending so well and counter attacking.  What got them to the final was their defense and Mascerano was arguably the best player in 2014 World Cup, it certainly wasn't Messi.

The thing you are not understanding is that it is not a matter of opinion, Argentina played defense and got to the finals ald could/should've won the match. Ever since the world cup they conceaded a total of 9 goals in 14 official matchs they played on the last 2 years (and this counts a match on the World Cup qualiffier were they had 6 players down due to injury and or suspension and another one against Brazil on similar conditions). They lost the Copa America final to Chile after tying 0x0 on the match itself. The teams defense is solid as fuck and their attack has been iffy. On this Copa America however the attack is finaly playing like we expect it to, so they might actualy win the thing this time. 

You can clain Argentina has bad defense as much as you like, this did not factor in the slightest in their World Cup defeat nor in their recent Copa America loss and their defense has been super consistent on this current Copa America as well.

And the way you speak about any team that is brought up makes it sound liek no team that played the World Cup aside from Germany was even remotely decent.

Maybe that's it. I'm a hard to impress type of guy and the match against Chile in Copa America showed what a team looks like, a compact block.