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Peh said:
WolfpackN64 said:

The point made was that people are in many ways determined, but that there is always an element of free wil.

It's the sociological standpoint. I might have been a bit arrogant in saying it's a fact. Scientifically there is still a debate of course. But for the sake of our functioning society, free will must be accepted.

Would be surprise about that fact. Free Will is neither proven nor disproven. It's difficult because there isn't even a definition of it :) All you can do is having a philosphycal debate about it and agree with the guy who makes according to you the best arguments.

Theists have also to accept free will. But it doesn't make it more real.

Still, I would like to know what kind of free will defintion you accept or rather your stance on it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will 

I would accept compatibilism.

I am a Marxist and therefore a materialist. Being a materialist I think people are at least partially determinined by their initial economic sircumstance and the surcumstance of their upbringing. Economical sircumstance being the foundation of any society, also determines culture, religion, philosophy. We don't live in a vacuüm and these things do influence us and mold us.

But I believe fiercly in the possibility for people to determine to a large degree their own path. For most of my life, I have been a centre-left Christian monarchist. But various events in Europe had made me doubt my way of thinking. From there I could probably go any way, as I think many people's beliefs have been challenged in the wake of the 2008 crisis. I have read Marx and my whole way of thinking, of structuring the world has changed. It's an entirely different perspective then how I looked at things before and there was no determinist precedent that guided me to this way of thinking.

That's why I believe in free will. We have the capacity to change the fundamental way in which we see the world and the freedom to do so, even if it's not evident to a lot of people, especially to people who's acces to knowledge is limited in various ways.