finanzen said:
DanneSandin said:
I wonder how profitable the gaming division is for MS? I would expect that it isn't all that great, hence why they don't disclose the numbers. But I could be totally wrong? |
the most profitable parts of the gaming divison are game sales and xbxo live. not hardware
ms gaming divison made ~$7.4 billion in the last 9 months (july 2015 - march 2016)
sony made $11.6 billion while $5.7 billion accounted for hardware in the same timeframe
only about 50% of sonys gaming revenue is non hardware
for microsoft, that number is bigger (xbox one gets outsold by ps4 about 2:1 so hardware revenue should be in the ~ 3billion range only)
MS:
~3 billion hardware
~4.5 other gaming related revenue
Sony:
5.7 billion hardware
5.9 billion other gaming related revenue
but ms does not give hard numbers for live, games and hardware as ZhugeEX said. so take this figures as estimates.
the biggest question is operating income, where we don't have any clue. yes live and gaming has way higher margings and profits compared to hardware (to be fair, hardwar has next to none, nevertheless) , but ms marketing and sales expenses are unknown and probably big due to retailer and sales promotions
drkohler said:
The problem is that the data is still heavily "loaded". Take the huge "PS3 losses", for example. The gaming division was very likely "punished with BR costs" that would not necessarily have been associated with that division (the R/D or corporate expenses segments did not show any peaks during those periods). Particularly there were heavy hitters like
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that's not how it works and does not even make sense.
if blu-ray R&D was accounted in part in the gaming segment, that is not "punished" and totally fine
should ps3 sales that were done for the only purpose of watching blu-ray film also be accounted in the home entertainment segment and not gaming?
what about playstaion vue? part of the gaming segment because it's a network service
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It really don't make sense since the Playstation 4 have much more people who pay for subscription than Xbox, the games software sales are the same difference of the hardware sales if not bigger in favor to the PS4, Xbox One is much cheaper than the PS4, Microsoft is making less money from Hardware while Sony is making more.
And we don't know how much Xbox One is selling compared to the PS4.
