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Swordmasterman on 20 June 2016
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LudicrousSpeed said:
thismeintiel said:
There's a big problem with the Scorpio that Xbox fans probably don't want to admit. It is basically the end of Xbox HW. Mark my words, the Scorpio will be mostly sold as a Windows 10 box by Holiday 2017. MS is going to try and go up against Steam and the Steam boxes, hence why all XBO games will be launching on PC. If it fails, you will be most likely saying goodbye to MS in the console biz.

Why would that be a problem, and why would anyone have a problem "admitting it"?

So Microsoft will put out the same hardware they normally would, only it's a "Windows 10 box" instead of an Xbox? So it gets the same games and the same OS Xbox fans enjoy using? Well then who cares? Would it bother you if the PS5 was called the Electronic Game Machine or something, if you knew it was still Sony behind the curtain? Also, MS has already said why they are putting games on PC. They are entrenched in both markets and can expand their userbase by combining them. Eventually others here will understand there's not nearly as much overlap between the two as they'd like to think. I thought surely deals like SFV or No Man's Sky would make it apparent, but I guess not.

thismeintiel said:
And really, I can't tell who the Scorpio is for. Why spend $499 (my guess on the price) on an entire system that no longer has exclusives, when you can spend $199 and get a 5.5 Tflops GPU for your PC and play any MS Studios game you want? As for the Neo, I'm sure Sony is going to get it to 5 Tflops-5.5 Tflops. It will also be the best place to play all of the PS4's many exclusives. So, I can see that actually having a market, while Xbox's fortunes will not be turned around.

You need to spend more than $200 on a GPU to match the rumored specs of the Scorpio. And if you want to beef up your PC instead, that's fine with MS. You buy their games, use their ecosystem, they get your money either way. And what do you think makes MS more money, hardware sales or software/service sales? It's been common knowledge for generations that these companies lose money for a time on hardware but make it up in software and more recently, services. So it's bizarre seeing all these people who apparently have great PC's saying MS is missing out because they'll just buy their games on PC. Well.. MS doesn't care. Papa Phil actually touched on this in one of the many many E3 interviews about how MS doesn't care about selling you hardware. They could not care less if you're using a Scorpio, an Xbone, an Xbone S, or a PC. They care that you are in their ecosystem spending money and playing games.

And it still has exclusives. You can't play Forza Horizon or Halo on a Playstation/Nintendo platform :)

Phill isn't the Xbox's CEO ?, so why he talk about Windows 10  more than anything else ?. 

We are not talking about Microsoft making money we are talking about Neo and Scorpio, Releasing all their games for the PC is extremely harmful for the Xbox One and the harm is even greater out-side of the USA where they already have problem to increase their install base.

If the PS5 was called Eletronic gaming Machine but still had Exclusives so this would not be a  big problem for the console, Microsoft isn't changing the name of the Xbox One they are changing its identity of the console now that all their games will be avaliable for the PC and this will take people away from the Xbox One on the USA and even more Worldwide.

We are talking about 2 consoles so there is no sense to talk about software revenue  on the PC (which is pretty low right now) to say that Scorpio will be sucessful,  otherwise there would be no reason to release the Scorpio.