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[Normchacho]

sc94597 said:

Normchacho said:

1. The sources you linked are proudly biased and only reply stories that support their already held beliefs. Which is why they report individual stories, rather than actual data.

 

2. You are much more likely to be assaulted or killed by someone you know than by someone breaking into your home. This idea that gun owners are defending themselves from the outside world is misguided.

 

3. You are significantly more likely to be killed in your own home (both intentionally or accidentally) if there is a gun in the home. 

 

Guns make people feel safer. But they make them less safe.

 

http://m.aje.oxfordjournals.org/content/160/10/929.full

1. Reporting a specific story is biased? None of the links I provided claimed to argue anything generally. They all reported individual cases. 

2. And people can't defend against people they know? For example, a woman was killed by her ex boyfriend because she had to wait for her gun license. Maybe she would have been killed anyway, but at least she would have had a chance with her gun. 

http://www.nj.com/camden/index.ssf/2015/06/nj_gun_association_calls_berlin_womans_death_an_ab.html

3. And when the numbers are adjusted for suicide? 

The sample in the study you cited was 1993, they also oversampled blacks and people older than 100 years of age "to produce more reliable estimates". I hope you aren't serious. Hardly what I'd call a scientific study. 

Data for this study are from the 1993 National Mortality Followback Survey, which is based on a nationally representative 10 percent systematic sample of decedents aged 15 years or older in the United States (25). All 50 states with the exception of South Dakota, which was excluded because of a state law restricting the use of death certificates for research purposes, are represented in the National Mortality Followback Survey. The sample was drawn from death certificates received by the National Center for Health Statistics from state vital registration offices. To produce more reliable estimates, Blacks, persons less than 35 years of age or older than age 100 years, and persons who died from external causes of homicide, suicide, and unintentional injury were oversampled in this survey. The study protocol was reviewed and approved by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Institutional Review Board.

1. Only reporting stories that support an already held belief is absolutely biased. As is ignoring the larger sample of available data to prove a point.

 

2. Once again, using a single case to try and paint an entire issue is silly. People are killed by seat belts every year. Should they take them out of cars?

 

3. Should we be removing suicides from gun violence? Does it not matter that suicides are more likely to be successful if a gun is involved? It's really hard to help the mentally ill if they're dead.

 

But even removing that. Homicides in the home increase with gun prevalence aswell.

 

https://law.stanford.edu/2015/10/12/professor-john-donohue-facts-do-not-support-claim-that-guns-make-us-safer/

 

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/scientists-agree-guns-dont-make-society-safer/