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Ljink96 on 12 June 2016
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sc94597 said:
Ljink96 said:
What do we do about this! I can't stand it. We have to stop Isis. This has gone on way too far. Bomb those buggers off the map...is what I'd like to say but it's much more complicated than that. Something has to be done. I'm sick and tired of waking up to shootings. My deep sympathies go out to the families affected by this twisted shithead. Sorry, I'm just livid right now.

We aren't sure this is connected with ISIS, but it certainly is connected with Islam. 

I don't personally think restricting immigration is the solution, but I do like the idea that when immigrants come they are given some education on the liberal values in which the society they are entering has structure itself. It needs to be taught that raping your wife is not allowed, gay people are going to have rights and it won't be made illegal, and there is going to be a lot of things that are ungodly to your eyes. If you don't like it, don't come. So basically from a young age, possibly have special classes for the children of immigrants with the goal of integration. 

I could see how this is politically untenable though, but not any more than restricting immigration. 

I also think there needs to be more pressure on liberal muslims (as there is on christians) to reform their muslim families/friends and not perpetuate illiberal ideas. Muslims can say Christians do it too all they want, but 52% of modern Christians in Britain don't believe homosexuality should be illegal, and many are even becoming okay with it morally in the U.S of all places. Muslims can follow that same path too, just as Christians had. It will take time though. 

I don't even think time will fix the way they think. The difference between Muslims and Christians is America. America's premise was to allow freedom of lifestyle which includes religion. This eventually made Christian's way of thinking, such as myself, more malleable towards different lifestyles. No I don't believe in gay marriage but I can tolerate it because at the end of the day they're humans just like anyone else and deserve to be treated as such.

Muslims have never, to my knowledge, even skimmed the thought of acceptance of gays. They never will either, they're still battling Israel over 2000 year old land. They stick to what has been set for their religon. I know this isn't a political thread but something has to be done on how we admit anyone into the US. Not just hispanics or greeks, everyone should have the same immagration process.

The thing is with the shooter, Omar, he was born in the US, so it was his choice to do this. Only influenced by his religion. So what do we do about people like this who were born here and maintain their brash way of thinking? There's simply no fix all cure all for this. I hate to say it but the only way we got Germany and Japan to settle down was by war, and destroying them in the battlefield. Only now, Nuclear technology isn't a secret anymore. Anyone can make a weapon of mass destruction. If another war breaks out we could be looking at the worst war to ever breakout in the history of the Earth.