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sc94597 on 12 June 2016
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vivster said:
sc94597 said:

I never implied (nor explicitly said) it would solve gun violence. Homicide rates will continue to decline (which is at a respectable rate) at the rate they've been unless something drastic is done about U.S poverty rates and the war on drugs. 

My concern is that the right people (those who just want to defend themselves) are able to secure their right to do so. These are the people most disproportionally affected by gun control, not the criminals. 

You can't limit gun possession and gun availiability in the U.S. That ship has already saled. Most people who commit violent crimes get their guns illegally already. 

Stricter laws will definitely do something. They will hurt the people who most deserve to own weapons. 

The sailed ship mentality is certainly not helpful either. Just shows how broken everything is.

Let me ask you this. Are there more lives saved by civil gun ownership or more deaths caused by it? And I'm not talking about criminals.

The sad truth is, a gun will not protect your life or that of your family if you are actually attacked because the attacker will always shoot first. Protecting anything with your gun is a tall tale the gun lobby loves to tell to sell more guns to people. And apparently a lot of people are eating that bullshit up.

No, it shows that one is being realistic and thinking about realistic solutions that help law-abiding people. It is easy to look at it from the distance and think lowering the statistics should be as simple as enacting legislation, but it isn't. This is a complicated issue, that a few laws just won't fix. Regardless, homocide rates are declining quite healthily, and hopefully if we solve some more fundamental problems they'll decline even more rapidly. 

From what I've seen of the statistics, in addition to my common intuition living here, there are more lives saves. The majority of home-intruders don't have guns, but that doesn't mean they can't rape or kill you. Here are just a few stories I've read and sympathized with in the last few months. 

http://thelibertydoll.com/2016/05/13/barb-moles-80-year-old-shoots-home-intruder/ 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clW2jtv6qFc

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/08/21/14-year-old-uses-rifle-to-protect-siblings-from-alleged-home-invaders/

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/09/02/elderly-man-buys-gun-monday-morning-for-self-defense-shoots-alleged-burglar-monday-night/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/01/10/five-times-elderly-people-used-guns-to-save-themselves/

These are the weak in society. The young and elderly. They are taught how to use weapons properly from a young age. And they have protected themselves because of it. I don't see how the "gun lobby" has made these actual cases up. And I have seen plenty like them on the news. And these are only the stories of action. There are plenty more stories where guns are used as deterrents.