Clinton has clinched nomination-Also, Clinton or Trump?

[Scisca]

Zappykins said:

Scisca said:

I've read over half of it and haven't found anything that changes my opinion that he's the best candidate - to the contrary, he only gained extra points in my eyes. He was born in Canada? Oh please. At least this time it's on your continent. He's religious? Good. He's bad for women? No, he's bad for feminists - and that's yet another point for Mr. Cruz. There aren't many things I enjoy more than watching Milo Yiannopoulos destroy and humiliate them Climate change? We know it's bullshit. It's nice to care about the climate and USA could start to control itself a bit more, but going overboard (like we're doing it in Europe) is even more stupid.

So yeah, can't see anything that puts me off.

But the bottom line is, he's the only guy who puts it straight, that Putin is a threat to Europe and that USA can't leave Europe alone, cause the German-Russia duo are starting to stir shit up over here again. And unfortunately, that is the bloody truth. When I hear Clinton talking pro-Russian bullshit, saying they'll lift the sanctions, take troops from here or on other ocasions they are straight up attacking and insulting my country - the only country in whole Europe that actually wants to be your allies - all this makes me think that she has absolutely no idea about what's going on in Europe and should she win, it can get really ugly really fast.

@Military spendings - I know all that. But are you aware that you spend this money... In USA, right? So this money helps finance American companies, research, science, etc. How many people would lose jobs? Quite a lot I think. And your position in the world would start to deteriorate, which would hit your trade and economy as well. I mean, you've got China on the rise, challenging you everywhere, going back now is the stupidest thing you could do. Your fleet is the only thing that keeps you where you are.

Wow, you aren't doing anything to help the argument that Pollond is one of the more backwards thinking countries in Europe. 

Actually, religion has no place in the US Government, it's one of our founding principles (along with getting rid of Kings and Queen.)  Fundamentalist have snuck bits of it in there in the last 100 years, but it doesn't belong.  I think the way he puts his particular religion above government makes him unqualified.  (What’s to stop him for sending in ‘freedom’ to stop the unchristian Catholics in Poland – and yes most US Fundamentalist Baptist type Christians do not consider Catholics as the same religion.)

Don't like equal rights?  Wow, how does other people having equal rights hurt you in any way.

And yes, you have to be born in the USA to serve as president, unless you fall under some odd situation as McCain did.

But fortuantely, Cruz is out and hopefully soon he will be forgotten.

I get your point about Russia.  I think Clinton knows more about it than Trump in many, many ways. 

Do you realize how much waste is spend on the military?  There is so much waste.  They buy stuff just to let it rot so they will not lose the money next year.

 

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It's a funny situation. Western leftists constantly spread bs about Poland being "backwards thinking", etc. while when we look at the West, we see regressive, ignorant fools. It's a problem you have in the West, that you ignorantly assume that anyone who isn't following your example is "behind", suggesting that some day, once we finally grow smarter, we'll follow your way. You can't fathom the notion that we're not "behind", but instead we took a different route and quite frankly, I think we are getting "ahead" of you now, as we've managed to avoid many problems that you are currently struggling with. When I look at what's going on in the West as of late (feminazis in US campuses, muslim crisis in Europe), I have no doubt our choice is in many instances much better, so don't blame me for wanting America to follow this wiser path of sanity.

You're asking me how people having equal rights hurts me? I'm sorry, but I'm the one who should ask this question. I take equal rights as a given, that's why I'm against feminists and other regresive leftist bs, which is fighting against equality and instead introduces censorship, hatred, prejudice, tries to divide people into groups and sets them against each other. How can any sane person support this destructive bs? It's cancer, I'm glad it's not present in my country and I'd be happier if POTUS was against that madness - like Cruz or Trump are.

I know we're given the worst labels for not following the leftist agenda, we are very religious - the most in EU for sure, patriarchy is rampant in everyday life and we shamelessly see nothing wrong with it. This surely has to result in hell for women, full of inequalities, right? At least that's what leftist propaganda tells you. Funnily enough, according to the Eurostat, the sex paygap in Poland is the fourth lowest in EU. We're ahead of every single of the "modern, tolerant and equal" countries (including US). Domestic violence against women? Second lowest in EU (half of the European average), only Slovenia is slighly ahead (so again, no "modern Western country" is better). The current and previous Prime Ministers are women, while our first female PM was elected in 1992 (we've been independent since 1989). So explain to me again, how are we "backwards thinking"? To give you visual example, half a year ago, the final debate before the elections:

PM candidates:

Reporters leading the debate:

4 women, 1 man in the final debate about the future of the country. How is that possible in the land of catholic patriarchy? Food for thought.

That is the thing, we don't need feminists and the leftist ideology, they have nothing to offer us. Their movement can't gain any traction here and it pisses the leftist activists off, so we get a lot of bad press - like the festival of ignorance from Francois Hollande a few days ago, or absurd accusation made by Bill Clinton recently. Leftist ignorants are gonna be ignorant and keep throwing shit at us, but don't be ignorant like that, being religious and traditional in no way means any of the bad things leftist propaganda forces you to believe. That is why I'm not at all discouraged from supporting Cruz by what you're saying and the links you gave me. The fact that President is religious, doesn't mean the country is suddenly a religious state. It doesn't work the way you described it either - somehow I'm sure freedom invasion based on religion wouldn't be a threat to anyone The fact someone disagrees with feminists doesn't mean he's against equality (on the contrary in fact). Such arguments won't convince me, cause I know for a fact they are completely false.

I know money is wasted in millitary. But get this - to some extent, it always is wasted, in other sectors as well. There is always some part of money that goes to waste, it's sad but it's inevitable. If you think that a new guy can suddenly walk in and change all of this by eliminating only the spendings that go to waste and keeping the rest intact, then you are very naive. That's not how life works.

Again though, I think Cruz has the best grasp on the Russian situation, while Hilary is openly pro-Russian, which is very scary for Europe. Trump is kind of a mystery (wouldn't you know? ), but I think should he become President, he'd be much more reasonable here. I'd rather take the risk of him making an unbiased checks and balances judgment, than Hilary making decisions basing on her ideology.