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fatslob-:O said:
SuaveSocialist said:

1. Not when Trump is in the race.
2&3. And both are way better than Trump.
4. Going by his proposals, Trump would be even worse.
5. Trump is one of the "masters" who feeds politicians---by his own admission. Cutting out the middleman would remove the only potential buffer between corporate interests and public interests.  Again, Hillary is the better choice by the measuring sticks you're providing.
6. It's funny how you avert your eyes to how much worse things would be under Trump.
7. Those who actually care about America.  Trump is the worst choice in every category.

Trump existing is a perfect reason.  A vote for Clinton is less a violation of one's integrity than a vote that doesn't impede Trump.  You said you couldn't comprehend how a Bernie supporter could vouch for Clinton----Trump is the reason.  He's the worst candidate to ever run in an American election.  You can list every one of Hillary's flaws, detail every bad decision she could make in office and she's still the obvious choice when the alternative is Trump.

1. What does it matter that Trump is in the race ? You still have Clinton as an issue in the end ... 

2 & 3. I ain't looking to go into a pissing match any further when this is just a subjective excerise ...

4. He'd be better than anyone in the Democratic Party by miles, economic policy wise ... 

5. Trump's lobbying history is minute when you consider that he's spent less than $2 million in donations for both the Democrats AND Republicans in his ENTIRE career before launching his recent campaign compared to Clinton taking in over $100 million in donations. Trump is hardly one of the "masters" that I describe compared to the PACs. Clinton is an even bigger offender of buying into the peer pressure than Trump is by initiating one ... 

6. It's funny how the only thing the #NeverTrump camp is almost never critical of their own candidate. Is hate speech the only thing they can spew in the face of anti-PC ? 

7. People care about america in their own ways so there is no need to be disgustingly conceited in your entire groups beliefs, remember to quitely concede if you lose ...  

You either have integrity or you don't and with Clinton you get none so they still need to drop their own narcissism in the end ... 

Just because Trump is the worst candidate doesn't mean you have to settle for the so called second worst candidate when there exists much better alternatives like Gary Johnson. Sanders supportors are a traitor to their own cause or they never believed them in the first place I imagine of they are going to back Clinton ...

1.  The Clinton issue in the end is better than a Trump issue in the end.
2&3.  It's not subjective.  Trump has no idea what he's doing. With his constant flip-flops (often mid-speech), he either has no ideas or has no clue what his ideas would actually do.
4.  He doesn't have a policy.  He has a few random, contradictory soundbites.  "The wages are too high"  *one week later* "Wages are too low."  If you're going to claim Trump's policies are better, you're going to have to prove it.  But Trump hasn't made it clear what his policies even are.
5.  Trump claims it's a much higher figure than 2 million, and his tax plan is tailored to benefit himself and his friends the most.  However thin you think the membrane is that separates corporate interests from Hillary's own policies, that barrier doesn't even exist with Trump.
6.  The Bernie supporters are indeed critical of Hillary; that's why they are Bernie supporters--most of them were Hillary supporters at one point.  Trump is just objectively worse.
7.  So you agree with me then.  

Integrity is the strength of one's convictions, not an indicator of what those convictions are.  An action that makes it easier for Trump to become President is arguably a violation of one's integrity if their convictions aligned with Bernie's---even Bernie himself has said that Clinton aligns much, much closer to himself than Trump and that a Trump presidency should be refused.  

If you think it's a question of integrity: you have it or you don't, Bernie supporters would easily demonstrate their integrity by choosing Clinton over Gary now that Trump's the Republican nominee.

I won't think less of you if you disagree, but I will lose faith in you if you still cannot comprehend.