Society lets you go from an asshole to "truther" with one word

[DonFerrari]

theprof00 said:

DonFerrari said:

Man... I'm sorry to say to you, but SJWs scream rape for even flerting. So yep there are a very big number of big mouths that say "forced sex' (and they push a lot of things under being forced) or lying about yourself to have sex as rape or sexual assault. So perhaps you were thinking about your definition of rape and not about what is in OP that is talking about SJWs.

If you don't blame the person for their lack of strenght in character then it's very hard as well to put them as suach victims that you have to reverse the guilty on the person that have it's his way. The primary responsible for his own safety and well being is the person themself and we have been failing as a society on it for a long time since the SJWs decided to make themselves the holders of all things good.

Being in a fight you don't want to be (and as option inside my argument would be walk away... so you aren't mandated to fight) is different than being in a consensual relationship that you opted to enter and can leave. And I suffered bullying from 10 to 18y so I'm very familiar with the situation, but I don't care because I never let it damage me.

And dozen of analagous situations isn't the same as this situation, so perhaps you wouldn't even put them because they wouldn't validate your point unless spin is involved.

That is exactly what I have been saying. If you don't want to share the experiences with that someone you better not keep having the relationship, instead of selfshily keeping that person attached to you even though you want only to satisfy your needs and not the needs of the other part (be it love, sex, travels, etc), if both can't come to a common ground where both feel like they are being satisfied to be together them there is no good reason to keeping it up. (And as I said, talking about where the option to walk away is acceptable. Because again as I said, if law prohibited or the person would have very bad result from walking away, like gamily abandoning and starving I wouldn't hold it against the person, even if I think for myself that it would be a better option than living with someone you don't want to).

And about ethnicity... by your second bullet you could put yourself as evaluating etnocentrically because you are using your experience as a ruler to measure reality even more than I'm.

Nope man.

If you want sex one night or another and the other person doesn't want it, it's part of relationship. Now if you don't want to have sex at all and the other person want a lot of sex, and you say the part that doesn't have more right to not want because its their body than the other that is also part of the relationship and live of the other then something is very off.

As I was saying previously, I think you're coming at this from a very  (corrected) Ego-centrist point of view. This basically means that your are applying decisions and intelligence to other people, and saying it's their problem.

I'll tell you right now bro, you and I are similar in this regard. I totally agree with you on what a person should do in a certain circumstance...but bro. We are in the minority. People with strong will, intelligence, no-bullshit attitude. We are rare. And it is even more rare to find in women. This is not a judgement on race or sex or anything. It's just a fact. The majority of people are willing to just let things go as they may, and ride the wave. People like you and I, you spit into the wind and steer the ship ourselves....it's not the same.

Most people don't think like you. I know, there is something off about a relationship like that. I know. It's illogical, right? People aren't as strong as you think.

You deciding that they just are stupid or just "aren't making the right choice", isn't accurate. Most people would describe that they make decisions out of being trapped in a position.  That's why cheating in relationships is so commonplace. Because people feel stuck and have no strength to bail. So they act out.

I don't think your ideas are wrong, I just think that you're overestimating what the average person is capable of.

No problem man. I understand your compassion, and I do know that there are a lot of people with little willpower and that we must also look out to them and try and help. My only problem is that too much of the numbers are inflated by people lying about assault and rape and others classifying things that aren't even close to that as rape.

And the statistics don't tell that... as I said in Brazil one study showed that 90% of the reports were likely fake (how much of that is trusthworthy or not I dunno) and does that balance, is lower or surpasses the unreported violence we don't know.

Sure things we need to go over the abusive relationships and helping people see they are in one and providing ways for them to leave it.

And another point that make the discussion very bad in Brazil as well is that besides their claims (some are ridiculous, saying like    over 1M women is rapped every year, because they count those cases as rapes) they want more privileges over it and say woman suffer more (it's also ridiculous to compare suffering, since its personnal)... but they refuse to aknowledge that men are 9x more likely to get killed than a woman in the country... and even harsher is that the killing statist is probably higher than rape and although one leaves scars the other have nothing left.

And the point I abject the most is they saying there is a rape culture (forgeting no one have ever heard of an experience of a relative teaching a child that rape is good) and even the worst criminals condemn rape. So how could that really be a culture.

sundin13 said:

theprof00 said:
Well, look at that 21.6% that's 1-5 isnt it? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you can tell me what 21% is.

Just wanted to say, I think there are a few issues with the math used to reach this stat. First of all, you need to account for the amount of people who lived during this time period, not the amount who were alive at the end of it. If you are using an 81 as a "span", you have to account for all the women who have died over those 81 years. The average amount of deaths between 1930 and 2016 is about 2million per year, with about half of that being women that would be 1million per year, so add 81million to your sample size. This decreases the lifetime rape rate to about 15.8%.

You also should account for differences in life expectancy over this time period. People who were born back in 1935 didn't live as long as people who were born in 2015. Taking about the median value, you are left with a life expectancy of 75 years instead of 81 years. Doing some recalculations you are left with a lifetime rape rate of about 14.9%.

Then the variable that is most confounding and difficult to calculate comes into the picture. Not all of those rapes you listed were first time victims. In fact, in victimized populations, rates of revictimization are significantly higher than that of the general population. Numbers I did find for this suggested a wide range of revictimization rates up to 64%, but taking one of the more common numbers I've seen of 20%, you can eliminate 20% of your "victim pool" as redundant. Recalculating with this number leaves you with a lifetime rape rate of about 11.9%.

So by factoring in a few more variables in the BJS data, the lifetime rape/sexual assault rate falls to about 1 in 8.33, or 11.9%

PS: I mostly did this because you already did most of the legwork and I was curious how the numbers would work out. If you can think of any other variables or you see any errors in my math, please call them out

Other thing to consider... even though a woman nowadays may live to 81y or in the past to the 60, the rape incidence is not even close to random, it concentrate on lot lower age range.

Also as our friend put, there are a lot of unreported crimes, and as I put there is also a lot of false claims.