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wartaal said:
theprof00 said:

Ok I'm convinced you're a troll.  well played. I'm shocked I took such nonsense seriously for 8 posts.

Just in case you're not though...

DOJ reports cases that have been reported to police either by the victim or by someone else falling under the definition of sexual assault are sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.

"2 in 3 (65%) rape or sexual assault victimizations were not reported to police from 2006 to 2010"

Pretending like police phone calls are the extent to which all crime happens is beyond laughable. That's like saying there aren't illegal immigrants living in america outside the ones that are caught every year. I liked that one, I laughed pretty hard m8. The actual DOJ report says that 350k sexual assault or rape cases were reported BY THE VICTIM or SOMEONE ELSE in 2012, and admits that up to 70% of rape goes unreported.

You also don't know what ego-centrism means. Probably time to read a book. Hint: It doesn't mean ego-centric.

And I'm not being narcissistic, you're just projecting your insecurity on me, because you clearly know very little.

Here is some more info for your "video":
Here is the full report, first of all, which you probably won't read: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/pdf/nisvs_report2010-a.pdf
Here are thedefinitions used in the CDC report
http://postimg.org/image/hc67h1si5/

As you can see, "having sex while drunk" is not one of the options this lady is talking about.

Here are the actual questions asked about "intoxicated sex"
http://postimg.org/image/vskqnicg7/

Very different from "had sex while you were drunk"

And on the subject of coersion:
http://postimg.org/image/ve7seudwh/

Additionally, non-violent coersion, intoxicated, and otherwise are all separated values.

http://postimg.org/image/btis91vsl/

They aren't lumped all together, as you were saying they were.

 

Just as a quick breakdown:
The DOJ report includes very specific line-items on a per year basis. THose items being violent sexual activities as forced sexual intercourse, forcible sodomy, child molestation, incest, fondling, and attempted rape.

The CDC report includes those same line items plus a bunch of others including drugged, unable to give consent, pressured, lied to, manipulated, and non-violent forcing over lifetime averages.

The two reports do not conflict. The two reports report diffferent things.

Since you seem keen to believe I'm being all high and mighty, here is a metaphor a "7-year old" would understand.
One is a report on ice cream eaten in a year based on store sales data, and another is a report on ice-cream, froyo, froco, and other cold desserts eaten over a lifetime based on sales and estimated home-made desserts.

OMFG you actually did the math(incorrect),  and came up with 2,5% and you posted this. Then you realized it was actually 0,25% and you removed it. You basicly know you are wrong but you rather just keep on going. You are so unbelievably dishonest its just insane. And you are using 2012 which conviently has the highest amount of rapes/sexual assault in the last god knows how many years. Do you actually believe 20% of all women are raped(you initially said 25% btw)? Out of every year you knowingly picked the highest year and used this to do your flawed math. You sir suck at math and are skewing your numbers.

You rather lie than admit defeat. Great job

12 million?????????? Omg the us have only 60 million women? When did the other 100 million die? Are you actually that stupid or were you hoping i didnt notice it? And that 350K includes sexual assualt, which is not rape, WHICH YOU KNOW!!!!!! And you dont multiply with percentages and add them you stupid idiot. 350K . 30 = 10.5 million women. THAT INCLUDES sexual assault. AFter 30 years its ........ 6.5%........ And that is using your skewed numbers. It includes sexual assault AND you used data from the peak year in rapes/sexual assault.

The math I was doing was flawed because the DOJ has separate reports for reported non-reported and estimated crimes. According to the DOJ, sexual abuse has been on a trend downward. So 2012 is not the highest. And in fact, misses a lot of demographics:

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvsv9410.pdf

Read this report, scroll down to the bottom where it says, incidence by year

1995 had 550k and 1996 500k and was in 400k+ territory until 2001. I'm interested to see why a drop happened though, because things like that generally don't occur without some kind of categorizational change.

You realize 12m was just for the full rape right? The statistic for the 1-5 or 1-4 (or however you want to box in my point like 5% matters to the validity of the entire argument) was based on all sexual assault. This was the statistic that was noted from the CDC, not the DOJ. The sarcasm in your voice is pretty damn condescending to those people bro. You have a lot of contempt, huh? That 350k is from the DOJ which is one report, as I have explained to you once already. And the 12m is from the CDC, a different report, which I've explained already. I wasn't trying to be exact in a simple multiplication that you should've easily put together on your own. Clearly 350k doesn't go into 12m 30 times as 3/12+4/12 is much closer to 3.5. But yeah sure, 5 more years is such a big difference when the average lifespan post 12 years old is another ~70 years or so.

See, when you discuss with someone online about things, it's assumed that the other side is at least not going to harp on trivial details. The truth is the important thing. Not who is right. A discussion is a way of helping each other find out what the truth is.

The DOJ also file different reports for incarcerated rape, military, and children, so... maybe you should take a look at yourself in the mirror. I'll find you the numbers but the DOJ had something like 80k inmates, 60k kids, and 15k military every year, and also admits that universities have their own figures that aren't reported as well. These numbers are not included in either the 350k number, the reported number or the non reported number. This is IN ADDITION TO. Because like I said, studies use very distinct points, and this one happens to be female in society aged 12+.

I don't argue with people who can't step past their own insecurities and have to use insults to try and prove their point. As if anything you've said has been rooted in any fact other than a single right-wing truther youtuber.

Also, reported. Take some time off, come back with some sources, if you actually have any. Show me your math, and show me how it differs from the number. Please, I would LOVE to see you shut yourself down.