When is murder justified by self-defense?

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aLkaLiNE said:

vivster said:

It was a double bait and switch. Because that's actually my real opinion.

As someone who suffered enough at the hands of idiots and brutes I do believe that people out to destroy other lives have no right to breath the same air as me. If I was the ones making laws we would not have lifetime prisoners or death rows. Instant bullet to the head is so much cheaper than spending my hard earned money to support disfunct subjects who actively work against society. Too bad our society jerks off to the thought that murderers and voilent criminals deserve a better life than their victims.

This goes under the premise that people can't change though... Your view is pessimistic which, I understand because I disdain society as a whole but that doesn't mean we can't change. We are all to varying degrees products of society. I think that there are other social structures we should examine before deciding that a violent individual needs to die. Or, for instance, what if someone made a regrettably violent act out of love? Such as a love triangle? That doesn't necessarily define who they are entirely as a person. It is but one aspect. Or what about someone that actively hates humanity but loves this planet and it's creatures? I'm not going to pretend to know your story Vivster, as we all come from different walks of life. But meeting violence with violence will only perpetuate more violence. If that weren't so then the world wouldn't forever be at war with itself. And that's why and where things need to change.

If a Burglar or whatever, does the same type crime, after awhile. They lose redemption. It's the same reason why people get mad at villians in comics. Batman would be over, if he stopped giving chances. After a certain point.

Teeqoz said:

vivster said:

It was a double bait and switch. Because that's actually my real opinion.

As someone who suffered enough at the hands of idiots and brutes I do believe that people out to destroy other lives have no right to breath the same air as me. If I was the ones making laws we would not have lifetime prisoners or death rows. Instant bullet to the head is so much cheaper than spending my hard earned money to support disfunct subjects who actively work against society. Too bad our society jerks off to the thought that murderers and voilent criminals deserve a better life than their victims.

In that case... what the fuck.  KK m8 death penalty for stealing a 50 cent chocolate bar seems pretty fair... Or do you think that's too extreme? Hard to tell what *is* too extreme for you when your opinions are that extreme.

If the person has a gun or knife. Then that person is a fucking fool. To risk their life, over a candy bar, to begin with. If they don't. Then kick their ass, and send them to basic jail.