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sc94597 said:
JWeinCom said:

Well half of those are bad examples anyway... but...

In 28 states you can be fired for being gay without recourse. There are people actively fighting to keep it this way. Gay people can not share benefits with their partners, adopt, and so on.

Women earn significantly less than men and are often perceived as less capable despite being otherwise qualified. Studies have shown biases towards labeling women as "chatty", "talkative", or "gossipy" even in cases where they have not been.

A skinny bodytype is definitely preferred. People underweight on BMI are perceived as healthier and more attractive than those within the normal range. Magazines photoshop already thing people to make them abnormally thin, then promise advice on how to reach these unattainable goals.

If you didn't realize when you were typing it, the common denominator in all of these examples is power. The top example is an example of people in power talking about the less powerful group. Quite often these groups have the power and influence to impose, or at least attempt to impose, their will on the less powerful group. So that's the difference here.

As a gay person I want my homophobic employers to be able to fire me. I want to expose him/her for his/her homophobia. I don't want to work and benefit a homophobe. We live in a time when being gay isn't a big deal for the majority of people, I am not worried about the overwhelming minority who aren't alright with it.

Women earn less than men, yes, but they don't have a lower wage. Earnings =/= wage. It is illegal to pay women a lower wage than men. Why do women earn less? They are not pressured to be bread-winners, they are not as money-centric as men, they have other priorities in life, they don't have motivation to put in 80 weeks and rather would spend their money, etc, etc. That is alright. Women and Men have different wants and needs. Women also have affirmative action to their benefit. I am sure it outweights the negatives of being considered "chatty", "talkative", or "gossipy." 

"Perceived as healthier", aren't they? Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the United States, and a leading cause in other first-world countries. Sorry, this is an anti-scientific position to insinuate that the healthiness of overweight people on average when comparerd to skinny people is subjective. 

The "power" sociological position is ridiculous and holds very little force behind it for everyday people. The only people who see things that way are those who study a subfield of liberal arts in college. Racism, sexism, etc exist regardless of the structural power of a class of people historically. Most people see things on the individual level these days, and that is a good thing. Let's not regress here. 

Good for you.  I'm sure other gay people would like to be able to keep their job in that situation.  Nobody is going to force you to work for a homophobic boss.  But if a gay person wants to work wherever they want for whatever reason, wouldn't you agree that they should have the right to do so if they are qualified?

You've basically proved my point about women.  You've demonstrated that you have a lower perception of their capabilities in the workplace than men.  Of course, if you have some data to back you up, then that'd be the truth and I can't really argue.  Otherwise, it's sexism, and the kind of attitude that can make advancement difficult.

For the sake of reference, what I meant by "chatty" and that stuff is in reference to a study.  Teachers (male and female) were asked to self report on how much the different genders spoke in class, and spoke out of turn compared to a researchers observations.  Teachers reported that females spoke more often in and out of turn when in fact males did more of both.  The teachers' bias influenced their view of reality, just like your insistence that women are less motivated likely influences yours.

Again, like the OP, you half read what I wrote because you wanted to make some sort of statement.  I specifically compared underweight people to people within normal weight range.  But please, do not let what I actually said get in the way of the point you want to make.

If you really don't think power matters in the grand scheme of reality than I don't even know what to say about that.  How people see things is irrelevant.  We live in a society where we do not only interact with eachother as individuals but as groups as well.  Often, the group identity is far more important than the individual identity. If you are in any doubt of this, go to a football game.  See how important group identity is and how easily people will turn on eachother for no other reason but preference of sports team. 

And if you're actually interested, look into the Milgram experiments and the Stanford prison experiment, or the bystander apathy experiment.