Economic migrants from Africa flooding Europe! This needs to stop!

[hershel_layton]

dharh said:
This whole thread pretty much sums up the debate and outcome every single freakin time.

On the one hand you have people saying the immigrants need to be deported and go back to fix their countries problems. Never really acknowledging the fact that those countries are essentially failed states with near zero chance of ever becoming stable again without seriously strong forces either from within (IE crazy murderous dictator seizing control who often is as corrupt if not more than what was there before but at least stable) or strong outside force in the form of occupation and serious money from the country(ies) that attempt to help.

Without these things, deporting people will only result in a continued cycle of deportation, followed by the immigrants making the journey again, followed by them probably getting deported again. Costing Europe more and more money.

On another hand you have people comparing China and India to the whole of Africa or the Middle East and how if China and India can get their shit why can't they. Failing to understand that China and India have been much more stable throughout their history. Also forgetting that China is a single, very oppressive, country which does not have the same cultural and religious issues that many African countries have. Africa has had a very tumultuous history; of being plundered of people and treasure, of deep religious infighting, and of course regime after regime of corrupt war leaders.

And yet another hand you have people saying European and other countries need to accept all these refugees without really acknowledging that this is unsustainable both economically and culturally when some countries refuse to do it while other bear the brunt of the immigration. They never put forth good potential policy that will allow immigrants to properly assimilate into their transplant country, or find a job, or learn the language, or practically anything. Almost always what happens is refugee camps crop up with poor sanitation and isolation. These people often do not understand a single thing about the culture of where they have ended up. Is it any wonder that they often fail to live up to the standards of that country.

And yet. These are human being, despite that fact that their _are_ bad apples hidden in the bunch. These people are families, just trying to escape. Many immigrants are not so much trying to make a new life as much as they are merely fleeing from being killed. If their origin country were to somehow become whole and stable again, perhaps many of them would choose to go back.

Frankly, I myself do not have the solutions that _will_ solve the continued immigration problems around the world. However, it is obvious to me that none of you people do either and neither do any of the politicians around the world. So far all that seems to be happening is suffering and wasted money.

This post is enough to lock the thread. Same as always.

 

Anti immigration stance, 70% of people disagree, same arguments, same rebutals, and so forth.