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Kyros said:

but userbase doesn't really come into that does it? I mean a game isn't more of a flop if it sells 50000 on the Wii than on the PS3 with half the userbase.


Ah, right you are. I was reading your earlier post as saying something like "nothing else matters, a game that sells low is a flop regardless of anything else."  

Turns out you weren't saying anything about development costs etc. I completely agree with your definiton of a flop.