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Primethius on 21 May 2016
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Mazzy said:
Primethius said:

Your conclusions are conjecture. Yea, this is Sony's biggest marketing push. Everyone can acknowledge that as it's official information. But you aren't linking that with anything meaningful to form your conclusions.

With that, lets look at some of the numbers and what your argument amounts to.

UK First Week

Uncharted 4: 192k

You said Watch_Dogs had a higher debut. It did not. WD debuted to 388k. It did 190k on PS4, 105k on XB1 and the rest on PS3 and 360. Close numbers but no where near the numbers needed to make the UC4 debut look bad.

You said Arkham Knight had a higher debut. AK knight debuted to >220k sales with 67% on PS4. That's 147.4k for the PS4 version.  That's not really close to UC4 numbers.

You said Destiny had a higher debut. It also did not. Destiny sold 400k first week. Only 184k of those were the PS4 version.

You said Battlefront had a higher debut. It debuted to 325k sales. PS4 was 59%, so 191.75k. Pretty much tied with UC4 numbers.

You said Divison had a higher debut. It debuted to 277k. We do not have a ratio for the console split. It would have to be roughly 70% split in favor of the PS4 version to have a higher debut then UC4.

The other titles you listed had higher debut. Look at that list. GTA V, FIFA, CoD and F4. What you are failing to do is draw a logical conclusion between Sony's giant marketing for the title, there radio silence on sales and why that leads to the title having underperformed because it didn't outsell some of the biggest multiplatform IPs of all time. So, thanks for proving my point. UC4 has one of the highest debuts for the PS4 platform. And everything you've stated does its best to ignore the actual numbers in favor of your narrative.

That's why all your conclusions are conjecture. You haven't actually supported your argument at all. Just a bunch of gut feelings and what have you based on radio silence, which could be a result of a variety of things, not just the reasoning you infer from it.

Not sure what you're trying to say here. You largely agree that all the games mentioned either outsold, or were damn close (and would have outsold had they been exclusive to PS4) to Uncharted 4. You said Uncharted 4 was one of the top 5 debuts this gen, which was objectively wrong. And that's even comparing UC4 to only the PS4 version of multiplats, which already weighs the scale heavily in UC4's favor.

You then say to just ignore all the red flags regarding sales and say that acknowleding these issues, and questioning the Amazon price slashes, lacklustre LE bundle sales, and mediocre sales compared to other big AAA exclusives is conjecture? If you think not having every bit of sales data at our disposal means we can't have a meaningful discussion, then we're all guilty of conjecture. 

 

Wow. Are you trying to downplay UC4 sales by comparing it to multiple platforms? I literally just showed how half the titles you spouted off did not do better then UC4.

 

I'm sorry if your expectations of UC4 were to outsell GTAV, FIFA (in the UK) no less or CoD. That doesn't make it a failure, your expectations are just highly unreasonable and not adhering to reality.