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Primethius on 21 May 2016
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Mazzy said:
Primethius said:

Let me ask you a few questions:

Aside from Amazon, what other retailers has it been discounted at? I don't see any in the US. The $49 price is for Amazon Prime users and they get a 20% discount on games anyways.

 

As for UK sales, you are arguing under the assumption that it might not have met Sony expectations without any proof to back it up. If you actually compare the UC4 numbers to other titles released, it has had one of the highest debuts this generation for a single platform outside of the big hitters like CoD.

 

So, I'm sure you can continue to hand wave quite possibly everything away but your just operating on assumptions so far. 

 

First of all, Uncharted 4 being $49 is not an Amazon Prime deal, you're objectively wrong there. I can't find any other places (aside from Player's Choice Videogames) where the standard edition is heavily discounted, but the limited/special edition is heavily discounted. 

I am discussing based on the limited information we know. I am also, as said previously, taking into account the massive budget, focus, and marketing put on this game, and it appears that Sony wanted to ascend Uncharted 4 out of the mold of lacklustre exclusive sales this gen and have it stand aside multiplat giants of this gen and exclusive giants of the previous gen. If we accept mediocrity and accept that exclusives will never be hardware movers or major sellers up there with the big multiplats (or even PS4 versions of multiplats) this gen, and ignore the massive marketing budget of UC4 unlike anything ever seen before by Sony for a game on their fastest selling console to date, then maybe the sales will be "good" in that context, but I think when Sony puts such a focus on this game and changes what Uncharted 4 means for the platform, then we need to adjust our expectations accordingly, as Sony likely has as well (unfortunately we will likely never know if UC4 met internal expectations).

And of course this goes without saying that this is in conjunction with a variety of other factors listed in the previous post (Amazon price slash, no PR, disappointing LE console performance, etc.) I would include Japan sales being up only 3% from UC3, but Japan is an exception to the global market in practically way, so I won't go there. 

 

Okay, I assumed that little Prime tag beside it along with the 20% off for Prime members meant that that was a Prime only price (I'm a Prime members). My apologies.

 

You have still failed to address the rest of my points however. It seems your only interested in conjecture rather then hard data.

 

UC4 sold 192k in the UK in one week. That is higher then almost any PS4 title this generation with a few exceptions (CoD, Fallout 4). I'm not really interested in arguing with someone over abstracts who won't actually define numerically his bar for success.

 

Make the connections for me. Tell me why exactly 192k, one of the highest and probably top 5 single platform debut this generation fails to meet Sonys expectations (err.. yours actually).

 

The title also sold about 80k in Spain in one week. Double that of UC3 and that number (without digital) is only bested by GT5. With digital, chances are that the title is the best performing Sony title in Spain of all time.

 

So, why exactly aren't these expectations being met?

 

Edit: That F4 comparison is wrong. That's comparing one platform to two. F4 PS4 was around 255k. Wow. Your using a game that shipped 12 million copies day one to discount UC4 sales. What a convincing argument...