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taikamya on 16 May 2016
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Nautilus said:
taikamya said:

I never said I approved her government. I believe I said she was probably guilty of the charges she was facing, but she did not commit responsability crime, therefore the impeachment process is invalid. I remain right. I represent myself as I didn't vote for her, but yeah, go pointing fingers. Very mature. Also, can people stop saying things like "nonsense". Instead, prove me wrong! Come on, destroy me! I love a good debate, but saying that I'm wrong is not equal to me being wrong in the first place. You have to provide proof to back up your statement.

And when wasn't I? I remain right. All the facts I described are right, and can be checked for reference. Be free to check-up anything that I said before the "IMHO, religion". I gave up my line of sight in my opinion, but the part above is not an opinion, are facts. Please be free to check them up and come back to me if I said anything wrong. I'll gladly correct them myself and apologize.

I don't see how Dilma's impeachment is a good thing. For one, its a coup. That's never a good thing. Yes, the PT government sucks, what else is new?

Dilma trying to nominate Lula was just plain stupid. Thank God the supreme court didn't allow this to happen.

However, "Temer is not the best thing" is a gentle statement. Temer and Renan, aswell as Cunha and some ministers of his have already been found guilty of many corruption charges. You're being to kind to a man that is 10 times worse than Rousseff herself, and keep in mind that she is pretty bad indeed.

Also, what's wrong with Cuba? The US seems to find it very appealing for business and Brazil should too, of course this is not all good or bad, but it's not a demonic thing as people usually think it is.

First of all, Dilma is guilty of responsability crimes.It is in the laws.After all, thats why the impeachment went through.Not to mention that the pedaladas is a crime, as even you admited she did it.So if its a crime, and if she did it, then she is guilty for it.Simple as that.Other funny thing that you said is that Temer is worse than Dilma.I mean, I agree that he is not the best candidate by far, but how can he be worse than a government that got Brazil to the condition that it is now?(Inflation, unenployment, corruption, and so on).Not to mention that any of Temer acusation has been proven true, and yet you say that he is worse than Dilma a woman that not only has as much charges as he has if not more, but has also been taken away from her duties(in another words, been found guilty from the crimes so far).And for her is all "speculation"?I see a bit of double standards here.

Even if the next government makes not much better than dilmas government, the impeachment is a good thing.First, because its not a coup.Its in the constitution, as far as I know it.Second and most important is that if she is responsible for those crimes( and we have already passed the IF point), she should be made accountable for it.This kind of thinking "But the other ones are worse!So lets just stick to the ones that dont suck as much" is what makes some countries so bad to live in, because you never strive for the best, and just be contempted for what you have.

Yes, I think she commited it, but it's not a crime. Yes, it's in the law, but again, the law is clear and the pedaladas is not a crime. If we are to judge that the pedaladas are a reason for impeachment, 11 governors and many mayors have to be impeached too. Not just that, but Lula and FHC should had been aswell, so this logical reasioning is anything but logical.

Also, Temer as already been found guilty, Dilma has not. I can say that Temer is corrupt, I cannot say  that about Dilma, I said in my original post, I think she probably is. I cannot and will not judge a person without proof. Cunha has been proven, Renan has, Temer has, Maranhão has, Lula has, Dilma hasn't. Based on the linear logic, I can say she probably is, but I'll hold that claim until it's been proven.

Also, in Brazils defence, we don't have a "best" to strive for. The best would be to end this political system and create a new one. However, who's going to? PMDB? PSDB? PT? If so, no good can come of it.