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spemanig said:
Captain_Yuri said:

What the tits is a "SideKick"?

Hmm, interesting. Saying that it's iphone's level of a revolution is quite a high expectation. I hope you are right cause Nintendo certainly needs that kind of a revolution!

Sidekick was... Hell I'll just show you.

 

My point is clear. Blackberry and Sidekick where the top-of-the-line phones of the time, but at that time no one was expecting something like the iphone to come in and literally redefine what a cellphone was. The PS4 and XBO are in a similar position right now with those two phones. They are the perfected encarnations of an antiquated hardware model. You can see tha creaking with stuff like Neo.

NX, from what I've been putting together, is going to completely redefine what a console is. It's going to be a firmware, UI, OS, and platform revolution, though. That's what's going to make this thing click with consumers. That may sound boring to you, but it's literally going to change the way home gaming. Part of making that work is going to be making it digital only for numerous reason I've reiterated in this forums for years now, which a lot of forum dwellers cringe at. It's going to be an integral factor in making this platform shine though, as well as backwards compatability.

I've said this before, but the importance of BC for NX has literally nothing to do with letting people play their old games and has everything to do with launching the NX with a robust market place of legacy. In other words, Wii U BC isn't important for Wii U games. It's important for NES, SNES, GBC, DS, N64, Wii, 3DS, Wii U, AND NX games, all available under one marketplace on day one. People have a very, understandably, warped view of what BC means because they are used to how it used to function on the old way, but this new way turns virtual console into just console, because everything is virtual. I've yet to see a single person understand what I'm talking about here because they can't get their heads away from how BC used to work. BC for the NX isn't about letting your old games run on new hardware - it's about giving NX the tools to offer Nintendo's legacy of platforms from the get go and building on from there.

All that, and more, is indeed a revolution, which is what DeNA were hired for, and the real reason behind My Nintendo and Nintendo Accounts. My Nintendo rewards are pretty worthless until you apply it to a digital only marketplace. Then it literally makes that marketplace Steam-like in its discounts, which is exactly what I said it would do. Imagine Nintendo adding 3rd party/indie games to the reward list as a way to promote them the same way PS+ does with "free" games. Imagine getting platinum points for achievements in games, again, also being accessable to 3rd parties. Imagine not needing to go on your phone or laptop to access your My Nintendo account because its integrally integrated into the UI of the NX. Imagine playing AssCreed 46 at home on your NX console, turning it off, getting on the train, and then continuing where you left off on your NX handheld because cross save/buy are a seemless and automatic thing.

Now stop imagining, because that's probably exactly what NX is. Next level shit, yo.

What you're describing is not an Iphone moment for consoles. At best it's a step ahead of a future that we already see is coming. 

Every next generation console is going to be fully compatible with games from this gen, and both Sony and MS have alredy started getting older games onto the newer platforms to that they'll be there in the future. This is clear as day and has been pretty much since they revealed that the PS4 and Xbox One use X86.

The home console market is also not ready for digital only. It's simply not, and certainly not from a Nintendo console. Partially because a majority of gamers still buy their games physically, partially because retailers make all of their money on games and they need them to sell their consoles, and partially the two other players in the console market haven't even really begun to push it yet. Nintendo going fully digital would be like MS trying to do always online in 2013. Gamers and major retailers would reject it, and they'd have options to go to when they did.

You talk about remote play and cross buy like they are this utopian thing that nobody has ever seen before while at the same time ignoring their limitations. Having the same game on a mobile and home patform is great. But it needs to be able to work on both platforms. Is Assassins creed whatever going to be able to work on the PS5, Xbox 2, NX home console, and NX handheld? How limited is the handheld version going to have to be for that to work? Is Ubisoft going to be okay with only selling their game once instead of twice? Is EA going to be okay with cross buy? Is Activision? They are going to have to put in the work to make two different versions after all. Since nobody in their right mind would sell and handheld and a home console close enough in power for one version to work on both. Since you'd either have a pathetically weak console, or a $1000 handheld.

None of this even takes into account this rumor either. If this doesn't use X86 and is around an Xbox One in terms of raw power...None of this matters. Because unless sales explode right out of the game, third parties won't make games for a sytems that's more limited and harder to develop for. Especially one that wants them to sell two versions of a game for the price of one and won't let them sell physical games.



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