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Conina said:
Ruler said:

It seems everything that is above the PS4 in performance has a high end price in PC gaming more and more, this is not how it used to be

All of these are above the PS4 performance (although I wouldn't recommend 2GB models anymore):

In the next months a lot of these cards will get a price cut to clear the shelves or to face the additional competition of the Pascal and Polaris cards.

Used GTX 680, 770, 780, R9 280, 280X, 290, 290X you can get for a small price are also above the PS4 performance.

Same is true for th regular PS4, its allready heavily discounted but when the Neo will come out it will be even more cheaper. We are talking about an entire system not one component 

zero129 said:
Ruler said:

600$? really? Also this thing will cost at least 700€ here in europe. I feel like PC gaming isnt afrordable anymore, i remember when you could have a GTX 280 for something like 300-350€, not 600€. 

 

 

 

not the games tough, you cant have any more jumps than Driveclub, FF15, U4 or Bloodborne

Ok so you think PC = Expensive over 1 GPU that costs 600 and is over 7 times more powerful then the PS4 alone...

You do know someone doesnt need to spend this kind of money to beat PS4 performance and to have great PC graphics right??.

Like my 280X shits all over the PS4 and yet it only costs like €120-160 now to buy now. And thats just one example so lets not try making this into something its not....

And another thing you seemed to of left out is the 1070. Its also running at something like 6.5T and has 8GB GDDR5 ram (Not the X version like the 1080 but still) And it costs under 400€, and you know some oems will end up including bundled games with them making the cost even cheaper if you dont already own them games.

So for a person like me who already owns a PC, it will only cost me around 400 at the end of this year to have a system that will also be much more powerful then the PS4K....

So yes the cost of building a new PC from scratch if you wanted one that would shit all over the consoles completly and do real 4k gaming would be pretty expensive (But then im sure the is people like you who would pay 1000€ for an upgraded PS4 if it had this power in it). But if your only upgrading (Like many pc gamer) the cost is not that expensive. And also if you just wanted to build a pc that was better then the consoles that wouldnt cost you that much as building a top of the line gaming pc.

Think of it like this. You can buy a cheap run around car like a fiet Punto (PS4,PC low end) for €300-400, or you can buy a more expensive fast car like toyota supra for €400-600(Ps4K, PC mid end) or you can buy a high powed F1 racing car €1000 - Whatever you want to spend (PC high end), Thats full builds. Clearly a person upgrading the cost is a lot lower for going high end.

its not 7 times more powerfull than a PS4 i can gureentee you that. This card wont run current AAA in 4K 60fps. 4K is almost 4 times the resolution size of 1080p not 7 times.

The R280x gives you a barley more performance than a PS4 

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=131688&d=1383230180

The PS4 alone can be bought used for 160€

 

 

sc94597 said:
Ruler said:

It seems everything that is above the PS4 in performance has a high end price in PC gaming more and more, this is not how it used to be

The PS4's GPU is comparable to a r9 270/HD 7850. There are literally dozens of cards more powerful than it, but less than $300.

Here is a $150 GPU that matches the PS4.

https://jet.com/product/detail/7eed89cc1ebc42b69e4eaba0a1657aea?jcmp=pla:ggl:gen_electronics_a1:electronics_accessories_cables_a1_other:na:na:na:na:na:2&code=PLA15&ds_c=gen_electronics_a1&ds_cid&ds_ag=electronics_accessories_cables_a1_other&product_id=7eed89cc1ebc42b69e4eaba0a1657aea&product_partition_id=161710082700&gclid=CjwKEAjwpLa5BRCTwcXS6_rpvC4SJACTDQMMmHZ1LKdCnC-hWqYVNjyT2xXz4zeVnjnXo6J41oBvHBoCBj_w_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

curl-6 said:
Ruler said:

It seems everything that is above the PS4 in performance has a high end price in PC gaming more and more, this is not how it used to be

You can get a PS4-beating GPU for less than 250 Euros. That's not high end.

you can get a PS4 for those prices not just a component

 

 

SpokenTruth said:
Ruler said:

And since when has Nvidia locked their top of the line gaming graphicscards behind 1000-2000$ like they do now for the titans? The GTX290 cost only something like 500€ back then.

And its not just graphicscards, but cpus too. I remember when i bought my original core i7 920 for ~400€ in 2009-2010. 6 years later they still charge the same for a slightier better core i7.

All these prices today are a rip off, it shows that pc gaming isnt affordable anymore because AMD cant compete. The PS4K is now a better alternative than pc gaming, and a better competion than AMD is to Nvidia and Intel in the PC space.

Do you mean the GTX 295?  I don't think they had a GTX 290. But you are correct about the price of the top of the line cards having gone way up since those days.  I remember thinking my AT X1950 XTX was insanely expensive at $450.  But it wasn't long after that that nVidia released the GeForce 8800 Ultra for $830. Even their 7950 GX2 back in 2006 released at $650.  The GTX 2xx, 4xx and 5xx series were pretty cheap compared to the previous high ends.  It was the GTX 690 that took it to $999 at launch.

However, the Intel Core i7-920 was the entry level i7 at the time for about $280.   Today's entry level i7, the 6700T for $303, absolutely crushes it.   I don't think you can call a 3D mark CPU score of 9480 as being only slightly better than the 920's 5280.   Don't forget a difference in power of 35 watts (6700T) against 130 watts (920).  And that doesn't even factor in the built in GPU.

it was a lot more than 280$ when it launched. The core i7 920 is still a good processor even in 2016  and sadley beats everything from AMD to this day, it has turbo mode, 8 threads and the other stuff.

And in fact it even has tripple channel ram, a technology which is supirior than the dual channel ram of the intel processors of today.

How is it that the corei7 series increased in price instead dropped? Sure they updated it making it stronger and more efficient but i would have imagined you could get intel processor with 6 or 8 cores as the low budget entry 7 years later. But instead everything is stagneting