haxxiy said:
The upcoming 7nm nodes are "only" about 3 times better than 14-16nm and they are very, very expensive. Anyone who can't afford paying literally hundreds of millions of dollars to design a chip are going to stay put. Do not expect more than one or two consoles, and one or two PC GPUs five years from now or so. Consoles could be 40-60% better than a GTX 1080 even on their current power requirements. But yeah, if they are as big and power hungry as the fat PS3/X360 SKUs, they could maybe double a GTX 1080. Of course, everybody could play safe and stay at 10nm. You never know. |
7nm is expensive because it can't be used for large complex chips, it's reserved for NAND untill they improve the situation.
Thus that "3 times better" can and will change.
However... nVidia and AMD constantly do well every year throwing out faster and faster GPU's.. Even on the same node, I.E. AMD Managed to more than double performance between the Radeon 7970 and Fury, both were 28nm, both were cosidered monolithic, low yield, expensive chips.
Thus... Even if we were to be using 16/14nm for the next 4 years, expect more than double the performance as AMD and nVidia are both entering this feature size conservatively with their initial batch of processors.
| shikamaru317 said: According to Steam Hardware surveys, less than 10% of PC gamers currrently use high end cards like the 970, 980, Titan, and R9 Fury series. The perecentages for low and mid range cards are far higher. I think AMD is right to prioritize low-mid range first, then release their new high end cards next year. AMD's plan is to bring VR capable performance and 1440p capable performance to the mid-range segment. They also plan to release low-mid range gaming laptop GPU's that are on par with consoles or better. If AMD lives up to their claims, later this year we could very well have a $250 Radeon card that is cool, quiet, and capable of maxing most games at 1080p 60 fps and some at 1440p 60fps, and to a mid-range PC gamer like myself, that's equally as impressive as what these new Geforce cards are capable of at $400+. |
Steam doesn't account for systems that have integrated graphics as the primary adapter and switches to dedicated graphics on demand.
Steam doesn't account for multi-GPU systems either.
The % of PC's that are more powerfull than what Steam hints at is indeed higher.
You also need a high end card, not for sales... But as a Halo product, to draw people to your brand, your lineup and spur sales, nVidia will have that, nVidia will likely have the advertising edge, nVidia will likely outsell AMD and that is AMD's own fault.
| Slimebeast said: How does 1080p look on a 2k monitor? Looks as good as on a 1080p monitor, yes? |
Ironically... I find 1080P looks better on a 4k monitor than a 2k (Aka. 1440P) monitor... As the scaling isn't 1:1.
eva01beserk said:
I know, its way im basing my asumption on the fx8800p, witch is currently amd's flagship laptop apu. Im expecting at least 2-3x performance on polaris 11, polaris 10 sorry to say but i dont care about. |
You are comparing Apples to Oranges. Polaris is a GPU not an APU.
AMD has mobile GPU's that are faster than the FX-8800P.
AMD's Mobile Polaris isn't even going to be the fastest AMD mobile GPU, that crown will continue to lay with the Mobility Radeon 395X untill probably Vega.
Teeqoz said:
2k=1080p 4k=2160p
So 1080p on a 2k monitor is the native resolution |
2k is often in reference to 2560x1440... Otherwise known as Quad-High Definition.
eva01beserk said:
I hope so to. I would want neo to just be the same apu on 14nm wich will drive energy consuption and price down some. Maybe have full mantle and direct x12 suport. something slighty better for slightly cheaper. Then in the 2 years remaining release the full ps5 xbox2. 5 years has to be the limit for how short generation lasts. I can see them then going with at least 5terraflops next gen. That could be 4k for consoles. |
Mantle is impossible. AMD abandoned that project, chunks of that code has ended up in it's successor, Aka. Vulkan.... Non-Microsoft consoles will use Vulkan as the primary high-level API, with probably some other fork of OpenGL for ease-of-use and familiarity for some devs at the expense of performance.
Direct X 12 will not happen, for obvious reasons. Direct X 12 is also a high-level API, the Xbox One actually has another API with performance that exceeds Direct X 12.
JEMC said:
They won't. AMD has stated that they aren't targeting the "high end" sector but instead they are focusing on the "mainstream" one. With luck, expect the best AMD card to compete with the GTX 1070. |
AMD are targeting the mainstead with Polaris. They will be targeting the high-end with Vega and then Navi.
Slimebeast said:
Yeah, I meant 1080p. I know 2560x1440 or any off resolution will look blurry, but since 1080p is exactly 1/4th of 2k, that should look very sharp, yes? |
1080P is 1920x1080 which is 2,073,600 pixels.
2k is 2560x1440 which is 3,686,400.
That is roughly a 77% increase in total resolution.
| Mummelmann said: Good stuff, but I want 12GB's of HBM (or equivalent) and even more oomph before I upgrade! |
Vega will launch with HBM 2 memory.
Navi however will launch with a next-generation memory, that is probably going to be the card that makes 4k on a single card super feasible!
| eva01beserk said: If amd only tries to reach the 1070, would that be something bad? let nvidea have the high end, but with a mid range as good as this, it dosent seem like the worst idea to me. after all, vr is the future and this mid range more tan delivers. |
Polaris is likely to fall short of the 1070. It's a mainstream product not a high-end or enthusiast grade product.
curl-6 said:
You can get a PS4-beating GPU for less than 250 Euros. That's not high end. |
...You could also get a Radeon 7850 for like $50 second hand, overclock the crap out of it and play games better than the PS4. Like all the Frostbite powered games in ACTUAL 1080P rather than 900P!
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