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hoala said:
JustBeingReal said:

I read the op more than once, you've not provided a single source from Nintendo hinting at this and none of Nintendo's own patents or comments point to this. You can keep thinking whatever you want it going to happen, I just provided you with multiple reasons why it is highly unlikely, Kimishima's statement about Nintendo moving away from Wii and Wii U's approach is enough to support Nintendo not going with weak specs or a redesigned version of the Wii U.

Nothing is hinting on a pwoerfull device either so thats redunant to talk about. its a prediction: not a 100% safe thing.

Here again the HINTS that the systme MIGHT be not powefull:

2 in 1 device with very similar architecture (i gave u sources to that). At the moment its not possible to build a portable device with ps4 like power for something below 400$. The losest you can get are gaming laptops with a gtx 960m (1400 gflops vs 1850 gflops ps4). But even those are 600$+ AND need a fence AND are way bigger then an usual handheld AND have poor battery life AND need to be plugged in for full power AND have often heat issues.

Nintendo already had problems with software development on wii u. Many games got delayed, released without full content (Splatoon, Mario Kart 8, Zelda Wii U, 3d World, Star Fox Zero). They also had problems to develop enough games at all. They will have more problems with better hardware (because worlds, gets bigger, graphics more beatifull, more details).

They already said they wont sell the system at a loss. Nintendo consoles in general are pretty cheap (around 200$ - 250$). The Wii U was their first expensive machine and it failed. The Wii was an in relation cheap system and it had great success.

Like already discusses several times, in terms of cartoony graphics the wii u can already produce very pretty games. The differences between an wii u and ps4 game arnt as big as they were in prev. generations.

 

It’s actually redundant to talk about NX being what you think it will be, because nothing hints at that being the case.

Wii was the only small jump in performance compared to a previous generation of Nintendo console. NES started Nintendo off having decent specs, then SNES was a big jump, N64 did the same, then Gamecube, Wii was only like 50% more powerful than Gamecube, but Wii U was like 30X more powerful than the Wii.

The trend for Nintendo is for them to have a big jump in capabilities compared their previous generation of console.

So 5 generations of Nintendo hardware have had good specs compared to the current competition and only one generation, the Wii was weak compared to other consoles on the market at the same time.

There’s only a 16.66% chance that Nintendo will do what you’re saying.

There’s an 83.33% chance that Nintendo will do what I’m talking about.

I’ll repeat again as well that Kimishima has outright stated that Nintendo are not making another Wii or Wii U, they’re going to move away from the kind of system that those 2 platforms were. Given Nintendo’s history of making more capable systems and Kimishima’s comments everything is pointing to NX being much more powerful than you think it will be.

 

You didn’t give a single source that hinted at what you’re saying being the case. Being a 2 in 1 device doesn’t mean the hardware will be weak, in fact Kimishima’s own statements and Nintendo’s history point to the exact opposite being the case.

I already showed how the core specs required to make a device this powerful in a handheld are way cheaper than you think they are.

Laptops are not an example of a console maker’s product, so the end price to a customer can’t be compared with Laptop devices.

Nintendo makes money from games, DLC and amiibos. Hardware profit margins are negligible and the cost of components are actually much cheaper for Nintendo or any platform creator in the dedicated gaming hardware market, because these companies buy in way bigger bulk, using one die, not a bunch of different ones.

I already pointed out that battery life wouldn’t be short, because light weight, cheap battery tech, with big storage is cheap.

Fences are your own invention, unless you’re talking about TDP, which I’ve already taken into consideration.

This is a non-existent issue when Indie devs can make huge games like No Man’s Sky, WiLD, etc or gorgeous visual showpieces like Everybody’s Gone To The Rapture and Hellblade, with tiny development teams.

The delays of Wii U games are likely down to the platform being abandoned by Nintendo and moving titles to NX.

This is not an issue now, especially when assets can be used on multiple releases like common objects games share like grass, rocks, bricks etc.

Hell Mario’s model can be used in multiple games, no need to make more than one version of him, just make a base one and tweak the asset to be used in a tonne of games.

The same can also happen with other Nintendo characters and environments.

You clearly don’t understand how game development works.

I’ve already dealt with the issue of Nintendo making a profit, the specs I used in example could easily result in a profitable end product if Nintendo released the handheld at $250, hell an XB1 level handheld would be very appealing if people can buy a device that capable, which would actually have a decent amount of exclusives, XB1 has a big problem in that area compared to PS4.

You’re ignoring inflation, past consoles are actually comparable to today’s prices, because the dollar or whatever unit of measure goes up over time it actually just looks bigger than it really is.

TBH though if PS4 and XB1 can sell as well as they have, at the prices they launched at there’s simply no proof that a Nintendo releasing a decent spec machine at a competitive price would result in a negative level of sales for them.

Going weaker on hardware just diminishes Nintendo’s value as a creator of dedicated gaming hardware. Your idea would actually have a huge negative effect on their public image among the very audience they should be targeting.

Wii U can only produce pretty graphics compared to 7th gen consoles, the difference compared to PS4 and XB1 are huge, in favour of those consoles.

Cartoony games aren’t the only style of art and as I pointed out more capable hardware enables developers to do more things, like add in decent physics, weather, while also adding better visuals and IQ tech, all things Nintendo need.

It makes zero sense for Nintendo to release hardware that cannot do anything more than Wii U is capable or just allow Wii U level games to run at 1080p, with 60FPS. This isn’t something that is going to appeal to more people outside of the Nintendo core and there would be no point in existing Wii U owners being sold a machine that can only really add the benefit of taking those Wii U games on the move.

The point of a new generation is to allow developers to do more things and also do the old things even better than before, something that Wii U level tech at 1080p wouldn’t really do. Staying at 720p, just maybe boosting some slightly improved visuals over what Wii U could do wouldn’t be a marketable thing, it would just be an idea that would be strutted out to die within seconds of Kimishima or Reggie talking about it.

Face it dude there’s zero chance this is going to happen.

As for your other reply to me, google NX handheld, the patent is mentioned in a bunch of articles.

I don’t know why you’d find my comments about the price and how costs of the division of a wafer break down funny, it’s basic math and outright fact, just because your own theories make no logical sense there’s no reason to mock others.