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Hynad on 19 April 2016
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S.T.A.G.E. said:
Hynad said:

No, it is not common knowledge that it needs close to a bilion. It's the claims of Marvel's irrational fans that every superhero movies should do Avengers numbers or else they're considered failures both at the BO and finacially. The fact that we know for sure is that the movie cost 250M to make. The rest is hearsay and assumptions based on nothing official. Even your quote says that a guy, with no ties to WB, gives an estimate with a number taken from his ass.

As for the extended version, this is a rumor (about having a run in theater). In fact, you base most of your arguments on rumors and hearsay and take them as facts. It's actually telling me you approach this matter with an agenda. Which is why I think it is futile to continue discussing this with you.

Says there that it needs 800 million to break even. To profit it would need to go beyond that. There is no agenda. What do I have to gain from all of this? You say its futile, but you're have a belief about this movie not having many issues when ive pointed out many. You have not plugged them and I doubt you can. Agreeing to disagree is all that can happen here. Im not trying to convince you to hate the movie. Im just discussing my issues with the film and you're taking it to the heart.

That's his assumptions, his estimate. Do you read what I write? Heck, did you actually read the link you provided? This number is taken from his ass. Not from anything official from WB. I don't believe there is issues with the movie that warrant such trashing of it. All the issues you pointed out are empty. Everything is in the movie explaining those. Or they're hint of what's to come in future movies. I can't find issues where I don't see any. I understood the movie fully, and found everything needed to explain what was going on and the character's motivations. The movie didn't spoon-fed its audience. A lot of the emotional aspects of the characters, for example, you don't have a character voicing exactly how he feels about something or why exactly he reacts a certain way. Yet with the elements found within the movie, it was enough for me to get them.

That you didn't really doesn't make the movie trash.

Also, Superman is still at the start of his "hero career", in a world where people aren't yet sure if they want him or not. He's not in a world where the actions of the superheroes  barely have concequences like you see in most Marvel movies (Oh! But all of a sudden, they now do in Civil War... -__-). They are grounding it with the "what if it happened on our real world" point of view as much as the superhero genre allows it. His challenge isn't only with who he has to physically fight. It's also against the very people he's trying to protect. He's doing these deeds while his motivations are constantly being questioned and actions put into scrutiny. As would happen if such a being existed for real. He is both feared by people who don't understand him, as well as worshipped by those he save or inspire. I think it is fairly normal for him to have his own doubts as well, given the situation and how early in his career this is all happening. He still has an inner battle to fight, and when he comes to term with it all, he'll be a more optimistic Superman. It's simply the route to get there, right now, yet people don't get that and expect a 2D representation of the character, because that is what they're used to see in most superhero movies. Paper-thin stereotypes with funny banter and one-liners.
 
In any case, I have no issues with the movie, other than the 30 minutes that was cut from it's intended lenght so it could get its targeted rating. It has nothing to do with the movie being a mess because it's quite far from one.