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sc94597 on 12 April 2016
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CosmicSex said:
sc94597 said:

When you put politics into money/markets/businesses, don't be surprised when there is money/businesses in politics. It is the same principle behind the separation of the church and state. We need the separation of markets and the state if we truly want the rich and powerful out of politics. But then that would mean we have to neuter the power of the state to bare necessity levels, which most people don't seem to want. What do you expect, the rich to just roll over and get screwed by the "majority" through mob-rule? 

Therein lies the issue.  Government is trapped inside of the same system as we are.  Money rules everything and there are those who thrive because of it and many more who do not.  The power that it has over our society comes from the emphiasis it has over us.  So, we would need to change ourselves in order to change the brokeness of government. What you are proposing seems nearly impossible. I don't have a solution for this that doesn't consist of a large mob.  Can you think of a solution?

Money is just a way to store and exchange value. That's it. You need to ask why does money have value. Because people put their time, energy, and labor to create things, and they exchange their creations for money. Money hencely, represents compensation in exchange for the product of a person's labor. This person then can use the money to buy the product of other people's labor. Obviously, something which represents the time and effort of people is going to be valuable. There is no way to change that other than changing the nature of human beings. 

How can we get the state out of people's money (at least to an overwhelming extent)? We reduce what the state does. That means no proactive wars, no FDA, DEA, ATF, EPA, alphabet agency XYZ, no war on drugs, etc, etc. At the basis of things the state is responsible for making sure people don't kill or steal from each other, making sure people outside the geographical region don't kill or steal from people who live within the states boundaries, and making sure people do not commit fraud. (And some people even argue we don't need a state to do these things.) 

Why do big businesses control the government? Because it has the powers to give them special advantages. Why does government control businesses? Because these are precisely the special advantages the big businesses have bought. 

Anyway, I don't see this cycle changing until the next enlightenment - whenever that will be. Just as the church and state were so tethered in the middle ages and now they are not, so will there be an enlightenment in which the state and market cannot interfere with eachother beyond a basic minimum. And then eventually we might even be able to shed the state.