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Peh said:
Aura7541 said:

So, you're just going to continue to ignore empirical data and do the strawman. Awesome... In addition, your link doesn't support your point because that article fails to mention per capita and offers no citations. Whether it's an "official report" or not, I want to see the figures and tables. But even if I take it at face value, this article debunks your point once again as (1) it is more up-to-date and (2) provides actual citations to its sources. Let's look at what this article said, shall we?

- "Migrants committed 208,344 crimes in 2015, according to a confidential police report that was leaked to the German newspaper, Bild. This figure represents an 80% increase over 2014 and works out to around 570 crimes committed by migrants every day, or 23 crimes each hour, between January and December 2015."

- "The actual number of migrant crimes is far higher, however, because the report, produced by the Federal Criminal Police Office (Bundeskriminalamt, BKA), includes only crimes that have been solved (aufgeklärten Straftaten). According to Statista, the German statistics agency, on average only around half of all crimes committed in Germany in any given year are solved (Aufklärungsquote). This implies that the actual number of crimes committed by migrants in 2015 may exceed 400,000."

- "The report does not include crime data from North Rhine-Westphalia, the most populous state in Germany and also the state with the largest number of migrants. North Rhine-Westphalia's biggest city is Cologne, where, on New Year's Eve, hundreds of German women were sexually assaulted by migrants. It is not yet clear why those crimes were not included in the report."

OK.. I try to be less agressive in this one. And look at your source carefully.

First thing first. You say you only want to see figures and tables and provide me a link with none.

I checked your link for objectivity. And that's what I found: http://www.alternet.org/investigations/one-americas-most-dangerous-think-tanks-spreading-islamophobic-hate-across-atlantic 
So.. according to alternet.org, the recently created GateStone Institute seems to be islamophobic. How much truth there is won't be judged by me. But I saw it worth by posting it.

Next thing I checked were some of the sources linked in that article and was suprised to encounter a paywall for some of them. So I am not able to varify the source. More scarier is, that they use Bild.de out of all sources out there. Just for your knowledge, Bild.de has the lowest reputation in germany (It's mainly clickbait). You can also compare it to Fox News with Bill O'Reilly for the level of research done in those articles. Yes, that Bill O'Reilly who doesn't know how tides work on this planet.

But OK.. let's assume that is true for Germany.. the crime rate increased in the recent months or years.

Seems to be Islamophobic. (Fun fact. The person who popularized the word is now regretting the current migrant crisis). Boy are you 100% sure behind that statement and this is also an ad hominem fallacy. You're more concerned about the background of the GateStone Institute than the credibility of the article. The same applies to your comment on Bild. It's also important to know that the German government has taken extensive lengths to censor 'negative' migrant news. No wonder why other German news organizations didn't say anything whereas Bild doesn't have much to lose because as you said, it has the lowest reputation in Germany...

How do you correlate this with my original statement which by the way was obviously sarcastic by making fun of people labeling a whole culture and religion as criminals?  Because that, is the whole point of this discussion here and the part where Slimebeast jumped at me."

Why should I correlate with a strawman fallacy? I love it when people like you are met with empirical evidence that make you uncomfortable, they default to the "Stop generalizing an entire group of people" argument. Anyways, to hammer in the point, cultures create tendencies and not all cultures are equal. Some have objectively worse customs and people who come from bad cultures will have higher tendencies to commit crimes. For instance, Saudi Arabia punishes rape victims. Egypt does not count a husband raping a wife as rape. Female genital mutilation is endemic to muslim majority nations. Exorbitant percentages of muslims in many muslim majority countries hold very illiberal/regressive views such as killing homosexuals, making women always obey their husbands, and wanting to impose Sharia law. It's a problem that is unique or widespread in muslim majority countries as I don't see the same problems from East Asia or Latin America. This is why people are wary of migrants. It's because of their cultures of origin. This isn't bigoted as you always love to describe. This is fact and to deny that ironically makes you the bigot because there is something called bigotry of low expectations.