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Nautilus said:
Why did you do two threads about this subject?I know they are not exactly about the same thing, but both are about Trump and his ideals.You should have just made one.Its easier to discuss this way

but this topic isn't about Trump, it's about whether or not a woman who has an abortion should face punishment, if every kind of abortion is banned due to fetuses being seen/legally treated as a person

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I agree that it doesn't make sense to absolve the woman of guilt/punishment if she ordered an abortion in a legal setting that bans abortions. I think the view that an abortion is always just something that's "done to a woman's body" is dishonest and an attempt to close the lid on the legal can of worms "pro-life" positions open, as natural degeneration of fetuses and still births are pretty frequent and in quite a few of thoses cases it could be argued that the woman facilitated this outcome with her behavior during pregnancy.