Apple vs the FBI

[LurkerJ]

mornelithe said:

LurkerJ said:

You may wanna read what I said earlier in this very thread: "On the other hand, Google, Facebook, Windows 10 are legally obtaining more personal data than anyone else, and worse, it's their business model, but few people care. People are quick to scream "PRIVACY" on facebook while using Chrome. So is it really a big deal? Will Apple join the crowd and reverse their policies and make more money off their iPhones than they are making now?

Maybe the public actually trust those companies a lot more than the government, and that's justified, or maybe they just don't know what they are talking about."

Trump got morons supporting him left and right, but hey, that's their choice, we can't deny them their freedom of choice just because they are "morons". If consumers are morons, let them be? Isn't this what the discussion is really about after all?

And it seems to me that you think I am with Apple no question, which isn't true, read my earlier posts. I do believe that when the FBI wins this, nothing will really change. Terrorists will find a new way to do things and we are back to squar one. and Apple may just throw their principles out of the window, because who gives a fuck, and start mining their users data, like the rest of their competitors, and make some extra cash. 

Why would I reread it?  Are you 'Consumers', or 'People'?  Or are you an individual person?  I said people and consumers, plural.  Whether you trust Apple or the Government doesn't really amount to much in the grand scheme of things, it's all consumers/people I was referring to.

Then, as I said, people are idiots.  The Government has at least a vested interest in its populace living, and being moderately happy.  Companies do not.  Companies only care about which countries have the cheapest and most lenient labor/tax laws they can exploit to increase their profits. 

As iterated in that article, and said multiple times already in this thread, Apple has had these keys in the past, and have retained sole ownership of these keys, in the past, w/o any leaks.  This is likely why their objection to this will fall on deaf ears, in regards to the courts.  Their hyperbole can be refuted with a simple look at history.

I would actually argue that there are probably a bunch of morons voting for Trump, but also a bunch of people who feel he's one of the few choices that are certainly not part of the establishment.  Hillary, Cruz, Rubio, etc... down the list, are part of the establishment, and there are many in this election who are entirely sick of the establishment.  Nevermind some of the things these candidates have said and done in the past that call them into question.  I'm certainly not voting for Trump, but there's no fucking way I'm voting for Hillary either.  I'll either go 3rd party or I won't vote.  I think our two party system is garbage, and widely prone to abuse.  So, I'll either vote for a candidate I can approve of, or I won't, sit back with a bag of popcorn and watch the country deteriorate further.  And no, it doesn't bother me to abstain from voting, Congress does it all the time.  I will not play a game of 'lesser of two evils'.  If both choices are shit, I won't play their game.

Apple already mines their user's data.  Apples....Principles....hahaha.  That's a good one.

 

Yes, they had the keys. Regimes all over the world were requesting Apple to use those keys, not just the US government. FBI previous requests may have been approved based on their merits but what about the requests made by FBI-equivalents in less progressive countries? Maybe, just maybe, those requests pushed Apple to go further and faster with their "stronger encryption" plans?

"As iterated in that article, and said multiple times already in this thread, Apple has had these keys in the past, and have retained sole ownership of these keys, in the past, w/o any leaks.  This is likely why their objection to this will fall on deaf ears, in regards to the courts.  Their hyperbole can be refuted with a simple look at history."

They didn't leak in the past, that doesn't mean they can't be leaked in the future, and it doesn't mean Apple should stop making their software more secure and more immune to possible threats just because "it was fine the way it was".

"Apple already mines their user's data.  Apples....Principles....hahaha.  That's a good one."

Apple collects data, but they don't monetize the information they collect the way Google/W10 do, or as heavily as those do, there is a big room for growth in that department, whenever Apple decides it's time to adapt new principles.