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Rpruett on 18 February 2016
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MDMAlliance said:

If you look at what I said in the bold, you did EXACTLY that.  

And you saying that Mexico will get something out of it.  No, they aren't gaining anything, they only stand to lose.  Also, you make it sound like only Mexico benefits from the trades, as if the United States would ever do that for a country that actually has a pretty sizeable economy (It's in the top 15 biggest economies in the world).  It seems like you really don't understand the topic you are arguing if you think that Mexico would just go and take it.  The costs of Mexico making the wall would be high, and the USA would only benefit.  USA renegotiating the trade deals with Mexico will harm BOTH USA and Mexico.  Why would Mexico agree?  

I doubt you have an answer, because there isn't any logical one.

However, one thing to keep in mind is that, in conjunction with this wall, there are a number of other things you have to take into consideration.  


How badly do you think they want to get in?  Even with a wall, people will find a way.  The border is also very long, even if you do manage to build the wall, who is going to be patrolling it?  People could just get around/over it if no one is watching.  That costs money too (which the wall will undoubtedly cost much of).  There really isn't any way to effectively make Mexico pay for it unless you think they think they will get something out of it.  That, or you coerce them, making relations between a country you border more tense.  Because that's what the United States needs right now, right?

The wall is also dumb if you take into consideration all the other things he wants to do.  Cut taxes, take many actions that would end up costing money (bombing ISIS, deporting, etc.), keeping the 3 biggest items on the federal budget around, and it goes on and on.

 

 

 

Your question is mostly non-sense and very easy to split out into points.

You say in conjunction to the wall, there are a number of other things you have to take into consideration.  You then list them as follows :

- Inevitability of Mexicans reaching USA

So you're saying essentially that the USA will be incapable of preventing people from getting into the country?  Is there something unique to all of the other countries who have widely successful statistics regarding prevention of illegal immigration that you're aware of?   All evidence points to the fact that a properly designed wall works incredibly well.  Which is the evidence you've been linked and provided.

- Too great a distance to build the wall

The entire US border does not need a wall. This has been discussed ad nauseam and once you identify the segments of the border that do need a wall,  it's not much different distance-wise than walls many other countries have built.  

- The wall requires surveiliance 

How does this differ from the current border today?  

- Can't make Mexico pay, no way to strike a deal with them

This has also been discussed ad nauseam.  Mexico absolutely will pay for the wall.  The United States currently has a 58 billion dollar trade deficit with Mexico per year.  That's an easily negotioable stance for the United States.

-  Wall is stupid when you combine his positions (on cutting taxes, bombing ISIS, deporting, keeping 3 biggest items on federal budget.

None of these are mutually exclusive events.  He can cut taxes, protect the border, bomb isis,  deport illegal immigrants all at the same time.  (And commonly this is what every president does).   As for the (3) biggest items on the federal budget, what are you referencing?