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Dulfite said:
But what caused it? Why did it start? If it's there, what made it be there? What determined it? Nothing determined it? If nothing determined it, then nothing should exist at all. If something determined it to be there, then things make sense. But then what can that something possibly be? Nature? But that's just a made up term to pretty much describe chaos or the lack of something controlling. Nature doesn't exist. The only way nature could exist is if the rules that it creates (gravity, energy speed up/slow down, matter vs. anti matter, etc.) have to have been determined by something with intelligence. If there is no something with intelligence, then how is their rules to nature? You can't say evolution is logical so of course it's natural, because in what way is it logical if there is no supreme thing to hold it up to? What even determines logic? Whatever people believe started evolution, what start that? And I've heard/read so many differnet theories, including the one on the universe expanding/contracting infinetely, but I say again to that and to all other theories as to why things are the way they are, what caused them in the first place if there isn't God? Seriously, I want a serious response to this. Every other time people just blow past that question because they either don't know or they don't want to answer. |
Whatever people believe started evolution, what start that? And I've heard/read so many differnet theories, including the one on the universe expanding/contracting infinetely, but I say again to that and to all other theories as to why things are the way they are, what caused them in the first place if there isn't God? Seriously, I want a serious response to this. Every other time people just blow past that question because they either don't know or they don't want to answer.
I'm just going to focus in on this part.
You're not talking about evolution. Evolution started when life originated. Anything before that falls into the category of either abiogenesis or cosmology.
Once life originates in whatever way it does, then we have a pretty good idea of how it grows and changes over time. Evolution is logical because we know that genes exist and we know how they work. Evolution is gene changes in a population over a certain period of time. And we can see this happening in humans over the course of human history, in species we've domesticated, and in labarotories with fruit flies and bacteria. Evolution is the cornerstone of biology, and biology has proven itself over and over in practical application. So, we know how evolution happens.
As for how life and the universe started, the answer is we don't know. And what is wrong with that answer exactly? You're demanding a serious answer to how the universe was created from a random guy on a message board. And the answer is I don't know. It's honest, and it's accurate. There are many theories as to how this is possible, and they're a bit too complex to sum up here. I would recommend watching Lawrence Krauss' presentation, A Universe From Nothing, or reading Stephen Hawking's "The Grand Design" if you're truly interested.
But let's say that nobody had any clue. Then the answer is just I don't know. We don't get to insert an intelligence into the equation, because that just pushes the problem back one level, and we have to figure out where that intelligence came from. And of course, if you want to propose god as a theory to be taken seriously, then you need some actual evidence. You can believe whatever makes sense to you, but unless you have evidence don't try to convince others. Or at least don't try to convince me.
And, again, that has nothing to do with evolution. Just because we don't know how life starts doesn't mean we don't know what happens once it's here.
