| Wyrdness said: Here's the full quote of my first reply. "We aren't, if you place a group of infants together they'd get along just fine, the's a term "Love is natural, Hate is learnt", people's characters are influenced by their surroundings and who is around them. We aren't built like how you say we're taught to be that way, some of us are just able to maintain an open mind." This is in response to when someone specifically said we're not all a little bit racist at which point you bring up the current concept of bias essentially like you're tying racism and the development of preference togther, your very own quote from your link flat out says it can LEAD to bias and prejudice after trying to understand the world, not that it's a default trait in other words it's a developed trait that is caused by what we learn from around us. Your scientific this and that is actually saying flat out what I'm saying here these aren't default traits they're ones that are developed through learning. I said we're not all a little bit racist, but we all have our bias and prejudice. That is natural and ineviteble. We label and generalize everything we come across. We have to identify the good and the bad, just like that, to quickly be able to react properly. To survive. We are basic and simple. I say NOTHING about racism being default or normal behaviour. Is this the fourth, or fifth time you say it? I just can't understand you. I never meant to start this massive discussion. I thought this whole thing with biases to be super obvious. I never expected a single reply, and especially not one that claimed the opposite. I would say, as humans are prone to differentiate and judge based on arbitrary things and feelings, racism seems like a pretty predictable human trait. Its just so easy to do, when we have a system built-in to put everyone and everything into these mind-boxes and generalize. But yes, you have to learn hatred. Irrational biases however, are an inevitable result of how we are wired. As do all the articles say. Want me to pull quotes? Its all there. I can show you 2 books as well that I came across that talk about it in great length. We generalize. We stereotype. We discriminate. Its not fair, its not necessarily logical and its both positive and negative. You're saying we discriminate against people who are born different from us by default I say that's BS and is what I pulled in the first place, children are more curious towards each other they only know as a survival instinct to run from something that doesn't resemble another human or something far bigger than themselves, skin colour and such is a non issue them, it's only when they begin to understand the world around them that they develop such discriminate traits to those born differently. A white kid in a white community seeing a black person for the first time can get very scared, because its very different. If that same kid was born in a mixed family/community of whites and blacks, then an asian could produce the same reaction. Skin colour DIFFERENT FROM THE GROUP is absolutely a big factor. Anything that isn't part of the safe, "in-group" will be scary. They will prefer to be with their own, no matter what that means to them. It doesn't have to be skin colour, but it absolutely could be. You need to seperate the individual from the group. It is not one kid, born in a bubble, rejecting anything thats different. Its one kid born in a specific environment, surrounded by specific people, and rejecting the things that differ from all of that. Your "group of infants"-thing just means that they will consider that group to be the "in"-group, the safe one. It doesn't change anything. That's just positive discrimination towards your own. Again, this is extremely common in these articles as well. And its not difficult to find out about. We are wired to identify the safe "in-group" and to be careful when we come in contact with the "out-group", us and them. Its not racism, its survival through generalizing and being biased towards "your own" and giving "the rest" lower priority. We discriminate against those who are different, to promote our own group. One of those articles talk about a part of your brain that activates when looking at group dynamics, and we can see this in adults as well (because its basic human nature). For example, a team of ppl in an office doing a project together will identify teammembers as part of the good group and non-teammembers as part of the lesser good group. They will care more for their teammembers, just as.. Ah. I'm being redundant. Its the exact same thing. My last line is in response to your constant attempt at personal attacks, you seem to take the open mind part personally like someone ran over your dog when it's just referencing that some people don't let their preferences dictate them as much, I'm letting you know if you want to take it there I'll deliver what you're looking for just ask for it, you clearly lost sleep over this after declaring bye bye only to come squirming back.
You claimed you had the right to treat people badly (and wanted others to do the same) if they didn't live by your definition of being open minded. Dehumanizing those you do not agree with, to justify bad behaviour. I find that kind of attitude deplorable, and dangerous. That is all. Constant, personal attacks? I don't see it that way. I'm not the judge on that one though. There are so many things that I've replied to in this silly commentchain that you just completely ignored. I told you why I was annoyed already, and yeah, that was unnecessary on my part. You made me realize that. I stated my reason, very clearly, and got over it. That was several days ago. Your earlier comments carried a lot of irritation as well, in case you haven't noticed. I don't see how this is in any way relevant though. Unless, you really are losing sleep and you're pulling a "NO, YOU!" *points finger* I'm not angry. Want me to sprinkle my comments with smileyfaces? >.< If you're reading my comments with an angry voice, know that it should be a decently neutral one. Well here I am, "squirming back" once again. I mean.. what are you trying to accomplish with that? :/ Is that a personal attack? If you quote me, I'll see it in the sidebar. Its not like its invisible, I don't have to hunt it down. I see it everytime I log on. So I looked. Whoa! Crazy, right? Curiosity got the better of me, I guess. I wasnt very keen on continuing when you didn't listen to me, but I figured I'd try again since I left in a hurry. Just as I said before, feel free to try to convince me. Show me some facts or something. Or at least try to refute the stuff I've said. This is my opinion, and you don't have to care in the slightest, but I still find your invitation to escalation aggressive. |
