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Kai_Mao on 11 February 2016
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spemanig said:
Kai_Mao said:

I get your points, but I just don't see it that way. With playing some of her games, reading the manga, and getting a feel of who she is, Zero Suit is not a problem in n my books. She's still remembered as she is in suit. But like Iron Man, who you mentioned, it's interesting to see the person out of the suit. Tony Stark was an interesting character who may act self-centered, but has a need to protect those he cares about, even if it causes more problems. How bout Bruce Wayne?

I remembered seeing one particular scene of her being a child and remembering her ultimate journey into saving the galaxy after seeing the tragedy of her parents in front of her very eyes. I think having Zero Suit adds to her character as not just a bounty hunter who will stop at nothing to defeat evil. Maybe the manga influenced me more than you, but to see Samus show her more human side is pretty nice. Of course people will objectify her as Zero Suit, it just comes with the current territory. And for her outfit design, it works with how her universe is, or how some futuristic universes work. The heels I personally don't think about too much since it's just there (unless you're talking about the jet boots then you can watch a video from Gaijin Goombah who mentions how those jet boots can actually work).

But we can agree to disagree.

You're getting an distorted feel of who she is. You're getting an inaccurate view of who she is. Comparing Tony Stark and Bruce Wayne to Zero Suit Samus doesn't work because, like I said, the suit by itself is not the problem. The character and design of Bruce Wayne and Tony Starke do not serve to undermine or objectify their super hero persona. They serve to humanize them. Zero Suit Samus does not humanize Samus, it only objectifies her. It. Doesn't. Fit. It doesn't "come with the territory." ZSS was designed to be objectifiable. She was designed to be cosplayed. She was designed, not to match her persona, not to add depth to the character, but to look young and blonde and petite and cute and that's it. It doesn't at all work with her universe. The Metroid universe was never neo-futuristic until Fusion. It was always retro-futuristic. It's based off Alien, not Star Trek. Metroid isn't "some" futuristic universe. It's Metroid. If they really cared about the character of Samus, she wouldn't look like a reject sci-fi Sailor Moon. Retro cared. That's why her look in Prime 1 works with her character. She doesn't look like a 17-year-old anime princess, she looks like a 30 year old seasoned bounty hunter. Still beautiful, frankly more beautiful than ZSS. Not needlessly objectified.

Samus doesn't even need to be out of her suit to give her character. Resorting to that doesn't showcase vulnerability, it showcases poor writing skills. I've read the manga, and its terrible. It is literally the tangable genesis for everything that is wrong with modern Metroid. The canonization of that abomination is the direct cause of the narrative filth that is Fusion and Other M.

No one has a problem with developing Samus as a person. No one has a problem with Samus not being in her Power Suit once in a while. I don't even care about characters being objectified. My biggest problem with modern Lara Croft is that she isn't obvjectified. What people care about is retaining the original intent of the character. If Gunpei Yokoi, the real creator of Metroid, was still alive, the ZSS abomination and everything else that spiraled out of that unreadable comic being canonized would have never seen the light of day. That's the big issue.

Then I'll ask you this. Are you okay with Samus turning Zero Suit during the end of Prime 2 (or was it Prime 3)? It's the design that's similar to Zero Mission, Fusion, Other M, and the Smash Bros. games since Brawl.