| Groundking said: 1) whislt yes we know that CO2 increases the temperature in a closed system, the Earth is NOT a closed system, so taking this and thinking that an increase in CO2 in the atmosphere will lead to an increase in the temperature is a false assumption, as it's not know how it works in an open system.
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Physics remains the same in closed and open systems, but the models we use become increasingly complex in an open system. It's possible to detect a decrease in temperature while carbon dioxide concentration increases, but then there must be another force more dominant than carbon dioxide. Imagine I'm pushing a box in one direction. In order to push the box in the other direction some one else must overcome the weight of the box and the force of my push. If some one else only observed my force, they might believe that motion occurs in the direction opposite of the direction of the force. But they'd be incorrect because they missed the opposing force.
| Groundking said:
6) And this is the right way to think, thank you very much for this, of course CO2 doesn't have a drastic effect on the temperature, I mean ffs how on earth is a gass that makes up only 0.00004% of the atmosphere supposed to have any real effect on the temperature when compared to the fact that we have a big massive open fussion reactor in the sky that fluctuates in output constantly. I mean FFS come on people.
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I'm nitpicking, but your listed carbon dioxide concentration is off by magnitudes...
Many factors contribute to the global temperature, but it would be unfortunate to ignore one due to its size. It would take an aluminum sphere with a large volume to match the mass of a small lead ball. Much like different elements have different densities, different gases will absorb and emit radiation more or less effectively. I would be surprised if the fluctuations of the sun's emission (measureables) are not considered in models unless they are shown to have no effect.
