Nem said:
bouzane said:
Nem said:
Wow... just wow. Spoken like a privileged american. You have no idea what poverty is, or what its like to live in a cuntry where you get paid 10% of what you do for the same work.
You have no idea what the real world is like. Capitalism is what is making these inequalities worse. Social systems are the only thing preventing it from going into anarchy. Capitalism is irresponsible. With it old people and many others would be dieing in the streets of hunger or without shelters just because theres no more jobs for them.
I am impressed by the mind-washing system that makes you think a just world is built with capitalism. It surely isnt the world i want to live in and you only dare to think that way cause you lucked out in your country of birth.
If Canada was an european country without easy acess to the great one language mass market that is the US, you would be singing an oh-so different tune.
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I hate to break it to you but you clearly don't know who I am or what my life's circumstances are. The province I grew up in had over a 25% unemployment rate coupled with an average salary that was less than half of the national average when I was a youth so I am damn familiar with poverty. We struggled to get by and life was difficult growing up. Guess what, my point still stands. This nation's prosperity has less to do with its proximity to America and more to do with the fact that (for a time) Canada was an extremely competitive marketplace that routinely outperformed America. At least that was true until the latest "conservative" administration increased corporate subsidies/welfare to a level that would give Mussolini a big rubbery one. I prefer liberal capitalism to fascist corporatism because it is more beneficial to the lower class as well as society as a whole. Capitalism allows for a tremendous degree of class mobility and that is very beneficial to those who live in poverty. Capitailsm typically allows for prosperous societies to flourish (hence why the most prosperous nations on the face of the Earth happen to be capitalist) and interfering with the free market by impossing subsidies also worsens class stratification resulting in increased poverty (again, something I'm familiar with). By shifting from true capitalism to a more corporatist-fascist system we effectively undermined the ultimate source of our wealth. Canada's prosperity can largely be attributed to our success in the free market whether you like it or not and I believe that we should embrace the system that made us wealthy to begin with.
The best part is that I am not even denying that communism is an extremely productive system that provides many benefits for lower class workers. I'm also not denying the necessity of social security either so your ridiculous tirade about anarchy and the elderly dying in the gutter is somewhat perplexing. Capitalism does not necessarily preclude the possibility of social security, collectivised health care or subsidised education. I am not arguing against any of those things, I'm making a point againt corporatism. Please don't try to extrapolate my stance on topics I don't directly address again because I'm not in the mood to debunk assertions that I'm against collectivised labour, unions, progressive taxation, etc... I'm merely pointing out the failures of fascist economics. Never make assumptions about my life's circumstances, my upbringing or my beliefs. I really don't know what you were trying to accomplish with this post.
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The way you mix up social support as "fascism" or an "dictatorship" or even "corporatism" is distasteful at best. You obviously were fed some really weird stories with some big words to make you think it was right.
I will tell you what i tell every right wing defender. The state isnt "alive", people are. When you are willing to let people die for economic growth is when your priorities are in the wrong place.
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I understand that English isn't your first language but there is no excuse for replying to my post without first understanding it. If you do not understand a term (in this case corporate subsidies) please learn what it means before you discuss it with other people. I am not making any sort of comparison between social security and fascism. My entire post reiterates this fact over and over and somehow you misinterpreted what I said yet again.
I am drawing comparisons between unconditionally handing the peoples' wealth over to private entities to corporatist-fascism because that's exactly what it is. Corporate subsidies are not social security, what is so damn difficult about this concept? I have said nothing against communism, socialism or social security. I am speaking out against corporate subsidies because they reallocate wealth (unfairly I might add) from the lower and middle classes to the extremely wealthy. Your comment about "weird stories with some big words" leads me to believe that you geniunely do not have any grasp of what I am saying so why bother to respond to me at all? Please understand what I am posting before you respond again.
If this was too long or too difficult to follow I'll break it down for you:
1) I am in favor of social security
2) I have never compared social security to fascism
3) I despise the right wing and have done literally nothing to defend it
4) I am neither a supporter of authoritarianism nor statism
5) At no point have I expressed a desire to allow people to die for economic growth
If you do not read and / or understand what I have posted then please stop replying to me. You are not addressing anything I have said but instead some imaginary strawman. You are making up things that I have never said and that is extraordinarily disrespectful. No offense but posts like yours are the reason I despise participating in any actual discussions on this forum. I can handle somebody disagreeing with me, it's this complete lack of comprehension that I can not tolerate.
If your next reply is just more nonsense about positions I have never taken, opinions I have never expressed and more misunderstanding of basic socio-economic concepts then I am just going to ignore it. Put more effort into this discussion or I am finished wasting my time on you.
