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male sex hormone generally refers to testosterone
Which is why I responded with testosterone. You then pointed out that you were talking about the male sex hormone...it was weird. Read back.
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well you keep asserting it without providing anything to back up your case while i have backed up my argument with examples that so far you have not refuted
The only good examples that you have provided have been things that we already agree on, lol. The rest have been redundant questions for things I have already addressed but you can't understand. I think its pretty straight forward to think that there are women who produce 4 times the amount of testosterone than the average woman and that there are men who produce only a 5th of the amount of testosterone than the average man. A quick google search provides you with information pertaining exactly to what I am talking about.
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lol but why don't women instead of becoming women develop into men? you still haven't answered the question... yes i know that you think men and women are pretty much the same but i'm still asking you why the development goes in one direction rather than the other
hhhhahahahhahahahha....thank you for that. "We can't be cousins to chimps because they turned out so different than us, just look at them". This is what religious people say when scientists tell them that our DNA almost perfectly matches that of bonobos or chimps.
Now, you didn't say anything about chimps but my analogy constricts your arguement breathlessly since women progress into women and men progress into men with the same psychological behaviour and almost the same physiology. All this while women and men seem completely different than one another. You don't seem to understand this or even want to. Why is that? Read a book.
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yes yes but your claim is that they are not linked in the way that i have proposed... i'm asking you to back up your assertion
That was in reference to the topic change in which you misrepresented me saying they are simply both linked. All it takes is to read back. You asserted that I was talking about the physiology of people which you then used as an example to support your arguement. But in reality I was talking about the psychology. Just because they are linked does not mean you can just apply my psychology arguement to your physiological one to try to make me look wrong.
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lol but i never said that they were the same, what i said is that both are linked so differences in one also results in differences in the other
meaning that since men and women are different in terms of physique these differences also show clear differences in terms of behavior such as men being more aggressive and stronger due to the effect of having significantly larger quantities of testosterone in their bodies
Well actually no, that's based off incomplete data. Studies show that aggression actually raises with testosterone, not because of it. I wouldn't assume that since testosterone has physical effects and mental as well that testosterone connects the two. Evolutionary biology claims that the aggression is useful in survival and procreation, but nowhere in studies would it say that all people with testosterone are aggressive. Just because testosterone is there doesn't mean that the body uses it as much. But just because the body doesn't use it as much doesn't necessarily mean that the brain won't feel the effects of testosterone. So if physiology and psychology were linked like you say they are then wouldn't all people with large levels of testosterone (almost all men) automatically be aggressive since it's the brain that controls the chemical release? Wouldn't that make the video right?
So yeah, I think this is more of a random outcome than a rule. Testosterone will support larger muscles and aggressive behavior but that does not link physiology and psychology. Just because fire has an effect on paper and plactic doesn't mean that paper and plastic are linked.
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"Which is why I responded with testosterone. You then pointed out that you were talking about the male sex hormone"
"male sex hormone generally refers to testosterone"
"agree on, lol. The rest have been redundant questions for things I have already addressed but you can't understand. I think its pretty straight forward to think that there are women who produce 4 times the amount of testosterone than the average woman and that there are men who produce only a 5th of the amount of testosterone than the average man. "
its not it completely defies what we actually see in reality which is why i'm asking for an actual case where this has been shown
"This is what religious people say when scientists tell them"
well your beliefs actually seem very religious to me and completely defy science... which is what amuses me about many atheists they go around bashing theists for supposedly irrational beliefs while they themselves believe in a lot of ridiculous horseshit and they somehow don't see how they are similar to theists in that way
i must tell you that its the funnist thing in the world to see this for what it is
"We can't be cousins to chimps because they turned out so different than us, just look at them""
do you think that i'm saying that women are a different species to men? if you don't what was the point of posting this?
"Now, you didn't say anything about chimps but my analogy constricts your arguement breathlessly since women progress into women and men progress into men"
you still haven't answered my question which is why does the progression to one or the other occur?
" All this while women and men seem completely different than one another."
ah yes absolute thinking either something must be the same or completely different... there can be no shades of grey where there are both differences and similarities
good lord what are they teaching you in school these days?
"You asserted that I was talking about the physiology of people which you then used as an example to support your arguement. But in reality I was talking about the psychology. "
can you quote this?
". Studies show that aggression actually raises with testosterone, not because of it."
i agree correlation is not causation but where is your disproof that it is actually testosterone that impacts aggression?
" So if physiology and psychology were linked like you say they are then wouldn't all people with large levels of testosterone (almost all men) automatically be aggressive since it's the brain that controls the chemical release?"
you keep asking questions that to me are so obvious that i'm wondering what kind of life experience you have
lets say we have two guys one who is very muscular and another who is small and skinny... who are you more likely to pick a fight with and why?
"owhere in studies would it say that all people with testosterone are aggressive"
well obviously since it is impossible to test all people with high testosterone
" Wouldn't that make the video right?"
actually the video is right to some degree since men are indeed more predatory with regards to sexual activity because men have higher sex drives and society places the burden of initiating sexual contact on men generally
my problem with the video is that its intended to guilt and shame men for actions they in most cases have never even imagined committing... to ultimately put them in a mindset like what you appear to have right now
" Testosterone will support larger muscles and aggressive behavior but that does not link physiology and psychology."
you are contradicting yourself within this very sentence lol
