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mornelithe on 15 January 2016
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KungKras said:
mornelithe said:

Um, no.  The only suggestion I've made in this thread was to support reformers like Maajid Nawaz and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, so jumping straight to the deep end of whatever the hell you're suggesting is a rather odd tactic in a discussion.  Which is why it's so difficult to have this discussion, because individuals like yourself purposefully assume the worst (or even worse, intentionally mischaracterize anothers intentions for the sole purpose of removing their voice from a discussion), and then broadcast it like that's what I was saying.  When I clearly said nothing to suggest that, whatsoever.  The problem is, when it's done in public, you brand someone a racist, or bigot, or a Nazi etc... and all of a sudden they're dogpiled on social media (nevermind that they're neither racist, a bigot or a nazi), but that's not the point of this tactic.  The point of this tactic is to control the discussion, to target intellectuals who actually do want to discuss things, to remove them from the discussion so that it can continue to be controlled by one side (CJ Werlemen, Reza Aslan, Glenn Greenwald and Cenk Uygar have employed this same tactic against Sam Harris, for example).  Please stop doing this.  For someone so interested in progress, the tactics you employ say otherwise.

So, if you actually want to discuss this, maybe consider changing your tactics.  Or at least separating your angst with other individuals, from one who's simply talking normally.

 

 

I thought you jumped in to defend the guy that was saying that Sweden is a rape captial. Noone in sweden except SD sympathisers say that. And for good reason. Sorry if I got that wrong.

I was asking you if those were the points you were making, I wasn't saying those were your positions. If you want to discuss, I made a lot of points in my previous comment. I thought I made a pretty good case for my positions.

 

Well, I guess me replying to your replying to someone else is certainly confusing.  So, for that I do apologize.  I was merely attempting to draw you back into civil discussion over what is certainly an issue, by providing a video with actual evidence and a more civil tone.  I don't think it's as simple as spreading them out over X area, because for one, you'd be restricting their movement.  Ergo, if they wanted to group together (which many migrants do desire the comfort of those of their own culture or religious affiliation, NY's Polish, and Yiddish neighborhoods, for example), you can't just tell them no or you're walking into a whole other hill of beans(I'd start to be suspicious if I felt the Government was purposefully restricting individuals like me from living in/near each other).  For another, with the volume of people we're talking about here (and this is a broader issue than just refugees, btw) makes that rather difficult down the line.

As I indicated earlier, reformmation of Islam is absolutely integral to solving this issue.  It not only helps those traveling/living abroad, but increases the quality of life for those currently oppressed under these regimes.  Beyond that, I'm not entirely sure.