Airaku said:
I'll go with the simple one. "But the peace will not last" This quote clearly sums up the endings and states that the peace between synthetics and organics will only be a temporary one. I would love to admit that I was wrong. But I am afraid that it is you that is wrong in this matter. You may have an English degree, but I can claim that I do my own writing anomalously, which I do, and that I have a strong understanding of philosophy, which I also do. I studied what a lot of philosophy and A.I. as a form of intelligent life and becoming self-aware is one of the studies in university. I had to write one hell of an essay on that. You also seem to assume that it was one person that I talked to that works at Bioware. That would be incorrect. I talked to 7 to be precise. Two of them being founding fathers. So no. I actually will call you out on this. Secondly, no I probably shouldn't give names nor should I say anything else other than what I stated in my earlier post. As such is information that is "fine" to spew around. You are not inclined to believe what I say if you do not wish, that doesn't change anything. As far as Luca's goes. He did re-edit the story and it is Greedo that shot first. We just like the idea of Han shooting first and so we remain stubborn and keep that in our minds. We are wrong to think this, but ignorance is bliss. This is no different than the case at hand. The whole Casey Hudson stating that Mass Effect 3 is about masturbation is just straight up stupid and irrelavent. Casey Hudson is the director of the series and was not the main writer. He did have a lot of control over the story and major key points. Everything went through him and he had major control over the series. The writers were Drew Karpyshyn for Mass Effect and Mass effect 2. And Mac Walters for Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3. If you can't even get this right.... then why are you arguing? The writer is often always right when it comes to their universe. Even if our minds wish to think otherwise, or perceive otherwise. Just because it's bloated with plot points, doesn't change the main theme of the game. Theme would be the proper word I should have used, rather than main plot. For that, I can accept my fault. That was an error on my part. |
"I'll go with the simple one. "But the peace will not last" This quote clearly sums up the endings and states that the peace between synthetics and organics will only be a temporary one."
Says who..? The anonymous star child that shows up at the end of the game? The one that readily admits that he had been manipulating the illusive man? Who represents the reapers who are known to manipulate organics, and tried to manipulate the villain of the first game to do the same thing he's telling you to do? Who represents a race who literally has armies of deceived organics working for him? What reason do we have to believe this character? You are aware that characters in books are not always truthful and not always right, aren't you? What reason do we have to believe this character? Like, do you instantly believe every weird hologram you see? The star child could be lying to get you to choose the ending he wants. Or he could simply be wrong on the point. Every other piece of evidence in the game shows that synthetics and organics can coexist peacefully. So, we have no reason to trust the random star child who works for a manipulative race of machines whose chief tactic is bending organics to their will.
"I would love to admit that I was wrong. But I am afraid that it is you that is wrong in this matter. You may have an English degree, but I can claim that I do my own writing anomalously, which I do, and that I have a strong understanding of philosophy, which I also do. I studied what a lot of philosophy and A.I. as a form of intelligent life and becoming self-aware is one of the studies in university. I had to write one hell of an essay on that."
You do your writing anomalously? So your work is marked by incongruity and inconsistency? Actually, judging by some of the other things you've said, anomalously might be a bang on description of your writing, butwhy should that make me want to believe you O_o? I'm legitimately confused. Maybe English is not your first language, but that made no sense.
As for anything you know about A.I, I don't really care, unless you happen to live inside the Mass Effect universe. You could have a PHD in robotics and programming and any other relevant fields, and I wouldn't care. It's not relevant to this, because we are not talking about actual AI, we're talking about a game universe. Making an argument about the in game world using real world AI theory would be like Stephen Hawking saying that the Mass Effect relays won't work in the game because of the laws of physics in our universe.
On the contrary, my English degree is relevant because we are dealing with literary criticism, which is a big part of what earning an English degree entails. But, I didn't just say "hey I have an English degree", I went on afterwards to explain the reasoning behind my argument.
"You also seem to assume that it was one person that I talked to that works at Bioware. That would be incorrect. I talked to 7 to be precise. Two of them being founding fathers. So no. I actually will call you out on this. Secondly, no I probably shouldn't give names nor should I say anything else other than what I stated in my earlier post. As such is information that is "fine" to spew around. You are not inclined to believe what I say if you do not wish, that doesn't change anything."
Why do I think that you only talked to one person at Bioware? Because that's what you said. To quote you.
"Again, I directly asked someone who worked on the game on this matter. I can't name them but they did confirm this to me. "
So yeah, I am absolutely not going to believe you on this, because a changing story and anonymous sources that can't be named are hallmarks of liars. I'm not saying that you are a liar... just that you really really sound like one. Partially because what you're saying makes no sense. Why exactly would you be unable to name who told you this? Would someone really get fired for telling you the MAIN THEME of the game? I mean, is the MAIN THEME supposed to be a secret? If it's the MAIN THEME shouldn't it be evident? Is the theme a special secret that only you can know about? JOHNSON! How dare you tell someone what this game is about! You're fired! Pure nonsense.
But hey, let's roll with this for a bit. Suppose you talked to someone who would get in trouble for telling what the main theme is. The only way they could be in trouble for telling you the main theme is if the theme is some kind of secret. If the theme is a secret, that means it is NOT clear in the game itself. And if the theme is not clear in the game, then how can you say that's the main theme?
So, whether you're lying or telling the truth, it makes no sense.
Edit: Actually, I was somewhat wrong. In your reply to me you said you spoke to someone. Before that in your original post, you said you spoke to two people.
" Well the ending isn't so bad when you think about it. I talked to about 2 people from Bioware regarding it."
So it was 2, then 1, and now 7. A shifting story like that is definitely a pattern with people who are lying.
As far as Luca's goes. He did re-edit the story and it is Greedo that shot first.
Lucas said originally that Greedo always shot first, even in the original, and he changed the film to show that clearly. Then, he changed his claim. So, when watching the original version, if we go by what Lucas said, than Han both shot first and didn't shoot first. I'm not going to go any more into this.
"Whole Casey Hudson stating that Mass Effect 3 is about masturbation is just straight up stupid and irrelavent. Casey Hudson is the director of the series and was not the main writer. He did have a lot of control over the story and major key points. Everything went through him and he had major control over the series. He did have a lot of control over the story and major key points. Everything went through him and he had major control over the series. The writers were Drew Karpyshyn for Mass Effect and Mass effect 2. And Mac Walters for Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3. If you can't even get this right.... then why are you arguing?"
I used Casey Hudson because you said you spoke to "someone" at Bioware. This of course was before I knew that someone was actually seven people, and may be 100 people by now. So I chose "someone" from Bioware, and his name was the first that came to mind. So, chill on the snark. And who it is doesn't matter at all, which I'll explain why later. Regardless of that, I'm genuinely puzzled why the person who was in charge of the product and had final say over everything would not be considered a reliable source, based on your point of view.
"The writer is often always right when it comes to their universe."
This literally makes no sense. Are they often right or always right? Can't be both.
"The writer is often always right when it comes to their universe. Even if our minds wish to think otherwise, or perceive otherwise. Just because it's bloated with plot points, doesn't change the main theme of the game. Theme would be the proper word I should have used, rather than main plot. For that, I can accept my fault. That was an error on my part."
If you are going to insist that the author's extratextual claims are more important than what the writing actually says, then you have to accept that my last post was indeed about my desire for a panda fur coat. If you want to say that I'm wrong, then you have to provide proof in the post that what I said was not about panda coats. To do so you'll have to accept the premise that text can contradict extratextual claims by the author.
That's a very simple summary of it. But if you'd like, you can read Roland Barthe's "Death of the Author" or Wimmsatt and Beardsley's "The Intentional Fallacy" which will more clearly explain it. You'd find very few people currently in the field of literature still naive enough to say that the author's word is definitive.