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Turn-based Strategy/Wargames (Tactics, not so much) like Panzer General or Battle Isle

Classic western RPG with a 6-8 person hero party, turn-based combat and first person perspective (though not necessarly grid-based movement)

Problem is, both are pretty much dead since the turn of the century, Battle Isle Phase 4: The Androsia Conflict and Wizardry 8 where pretty much the last of each kind