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A_C_E said:
o_O.Q said:

"I'm simply pointing out that not ALL men produce more testosterone than ALL women."

i feel the need to ask thiis again but you are aware of the purpose of testosterone and why we call it the male sex hormone right?

What I stated was fact. Just because you can't accept a fact doesn't give you the need to put forth a red herring fallacy. If i did or didn't know why we call testosterone a male sex hormone it would not change the fact that not all men produce more testosterone than all women.

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" Also, we keep jumping back and forth between physiology and psychology"

they are both linked anyway so doesn't matter

Agreed.

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"lol but you are missing the point... which is that a larger concentration produces a significantly larger effect"

"Which I am not arguing against..."

" I said it is not dependent on the amount. "

I understand (obviously) that a larger concentration produces a larger effect, but the amount of testosterone does not dictate whether a man is a man, just heavily influences the procedural building blocks. Also, I said in full, "I did not state that a man can still be a man without testosterone, I said it is not dependent on the amount." Your fire analogy was not one to show the effects of testosterone physically but instead was used to describe what would happen mentally; in that more aggression would ensue the more testosterone was available. What you just did was improperly quote me without offering any context to what I was responding to in the original claim. That is the definition of misrepresentation.

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"ut now we are on the topic of physiology where I have already stated that men and women aren't exactly the same"

testosterone and its effects are also a part of physiology 

...agreed.

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" The video was made by someone with overly feministic views"

that's ironic coming from a guy desperately trying to prove that men and women are almost the same and failing miserably

One thing I am failing miserably at is getting you to understand that I am technically agreeing with you while also pointing out that generalizations only lead to mixed results hence why it would be better to look at an individual as an individual, not a man or a woman. Now I am of course speaking on social terms here. But what you do in these situations is claim that I don't know that women on average produce more estrogen and that men on average produce more testosterone, do you even know the effects of testosterone...these silly questions lead to nowhere.

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" you're using it to prove that men are psychologically different?"

no i'm just saying that the vieo was made with the understanding that men and women are different with regards to their behavior

Your saying the video was made with the understanding that men and women are different with regards to their behavior? Does that make it true? I don't care what the video says first of all, it doesn't change what is. Second of all, I was under the impression that the video simply didn't want to acknowledge that the average male doesn't act like their portrayal of men, or boys if you will.

 

" it would not change the fact that not all men produce more testosterone than all women."

look the point i was making here is that if someone is producing less testosterone than a woman then they will not develope into a man because the male sex hormone is needed for a man to develope physiologically

what evidence do you have that there are men that exist with less testosterone than women because this completely goes against what we know about biology?

 

"the amount of testosterone does not dictate whether a man is a man"

so since women have testosterone too why don't they develop the same way as men? please explain this one for me

 

"Your fire analogy was not one to show the effects of testosterone physically but instead was used to describe what would happen mentally"

as i said and you agreed, physiology and psychology are linked

yes it causes more aggression as a psychological effect but it also causes physiological effects... as i've been saying over and over again there is no dividing line between both

 

"do you even know the effects of testosterone"

i have to ask the question because from your claims its obvious that you don't know how these things work and therefore before you try to speak on them it would be best to go and read up on them

 

" why it would be better to look at an individual as an individual"

ironically it is the beliefs you are pushing that are grounded in a desire to erase individuality, but for some reason you can't see it