SpokenTruth said:
DonFerrari said:
I'm ignorant of US law so please show me where it's forbbiden that minor drink in home... and if they can stop you from drinking alone in your house how can't they stop people drinking in a party that is blatantly obvious is happening.
SpokenTruth said:
Women only style clubs are an outlier and they do get challenged in court. But do we stop at trying to change society just because they can now work out by themselves?
Violent crime against men isn't being ignored. Nor should we ignore women's issues just because men attack other men. That's like saying we should ignore what's going on in Indiana because there is already a different problem in Montana.
Naturally I do not want an environment free of self regulation and security. Not exactly sure how you concluded I did. That said, you fail to understand that her inability to consent due to not being conscient isn't an automatic consent nor does not being conscient absolve the rapist from guilt. Further, how many other crimes are deemed non-crimminal on the grounds of being inebriated? In fact, that usually ascerbates the charges. Assault charges aren't dropped just because the assailant was drunk.
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Yes, you want the law to solve all the problems, you don't want people to take care of their regulation you want to artifically remove risks.
So for you it's no double standard to say both being equally inebriated and having no violence involved a girl is the victm and the man a rapist? For real?
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Minors drinking in the home is regulated by the states and they range from completelly illegal to legal with a wide range of circumstances.
That said, I believe we'll have to stop our discussion as you clearly assume what I want. Does it surprise you that I subscribe to Libertarian philosophy? So much for me wanting to regulate everything.
It would surprise me because of the way you portrayed the regulation, sorry for understanding wrong. I'm all about letting the parents decide how they preffer to educate their child.
OdinHades said:
SpokenTruth said:
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Violent crime against men isn't being ignored. Nor should we ignore women's issues just because men attack other men. That's like saying we should ignore what's going on in Indiana because there is already a different problem in Montana.
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Yeah, ok, but why are the problems with crimes against women so damn important (I mean it's all over the place, it's in the news and even a topic in politics all the time) when there are actually happening more crimes against men?
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It's important specifically because for decades no one was talking about it. Hell, domestic abuse against women was even condoned in the US for a long time. Further, crimes against men do not usually happen against on the basis that they are men. Better stated, how often are men raped by women? Until that becomes equally proportional, expect the issue of violence against women to have some focus.
But again, just because one issue exists doesn't mean we have to ignore others.
There were some reports that they are quite similar in quantity, but because of the even bigger stigma regarding a man being the aggressor and stronger they fell ashamed about being abused and they don't report it.
bdbdbd said:
Now we're talking business. You would want to change the society into what and how? I'm really curious. If it's feminist context we're talking about, I'd like to know if you advocate the society the feminists advocate and what do you think it's like?
As far as the feminist rhetoric goes, when speaking of rapes, if you get raped by an immigrant, it is because the society made him to do so, and the feminists do not condemn the rapist. If a native western male commits rape, it is because the white male oppress women and it's the fault of the rapist.
As we're still talking about feminism and society, it's interesting how it is self-induced and therefore ok, if you get shot for having a picture or two of a prophet in your magazine, and the shooters are the actual victims, but, let's say, you get drunk, don't know who you had sex with, or if you did at all, but if you did, you might have been raped by someone, is a reason for shitstorm when the police don't take you seriously, and you condemn the society and the police and the white male and everyone involved.
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I wouldn't want to change society into one that is far more tolerant and respecting of individuals than it is now. How? Education of the youth. No country changes that doesn't ignite the passions of its youth. As for a feminist society...you can't really define that because feminists themselves do not have an agreed upon definition of feminism. Some want something more militant while other simply want their plights addressed. My society isn't so much feministic but rather people simply aren't asshole to each other and regard everyone for who they are rather than the classism, sexism, culturalism idiocracy we have today.
Rape should be rape regardless of the origin of the rapist. No one absolves guilt of a white collar criminal on the grounds of their nationality.
I agree about education being the base of change... but unfortunately we don't see the moderate feminists leading the institutions they represent. It isn't because they have feminazi groups that are portayed and moderate groups that see no light of the day. It's more like they are the head and moth in a lot of the groups.
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